I am still waiting for you to address my post in the "God is one not three" thread, since i already addressed the issue of your quran which has deceptively and/or ignorantly misrepresented the Christian doctrine of the Holy Trinity. Maybe you can explain how acknowledging persons (such as the eternally generated and subsisting divine knowledge or wisdom) within the Godhead classifies as a "partner" of God Himself.
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Quranic strawman: "Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth; how can He have a son when He has no consort?" 6:101
Correction: Christs Sonship does not result from Gods taking part in a carnal act. The term begotten if to be qualified in human terms, would be labelled an “intellectual generation”.
Lets see and you take this as a Christian to be refering to the Christian relgion huh ? I would like to know WHERE in that contect is is directed to Christianity specifically ? This is called reading the Quran with a Biased mind in a Christian perspective. Was Christianity the only religion that had a "Son of G-D" belief ? Absolutely not, in which the Quran says you Christian merely mimic what the pagans do.
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Al-Masih the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! 9:30
In 6:101 it is a general statement applied to any people that believe G-D had a son, the Christian is no the only religion that has such a belief.
Key idea #2: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit constitute the Holy Trinity. St Mary was never in anyway related to the Godhead nor was she ever considered a divine figure of any kind. She was simply the vehicle for Christs incarnation, and it was of her that Christ took His very flesh.
Quranic strawman: 5:116 "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?"
Correction: Christians believe Christ made a self-claim to divinity, claims to an intricate and unique relationship with God, such that He would be included within the unique identity of the Godhead. NEVER have Christians ever believed Christ made Himself a separate deity to the one true God – and NEVER has St Mary ever been a third deity of three.
I bet you got this one from Christian propaganda. You didnt come up with it. Obviously you didnt clearify the misconception you consumed.
Read closely :
5:116 "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?"
Please count, you do know how to do that right ? Where in that verse does it allude to trinity when Allah is
excluded as being worshipped or being part of those two. The verse demonstrates 2 gods being worshiped not three for a trinity.
We muslims understand this verse to refer to the Christians who worship Jesus as a god (the Protestants) and Maryam as a god (Catholics) despite you two sects are each others throats as to who is a true Christian or not.
Key idea #3: God is One being, existent in three persons.
Quranic strawman: 5:73 They disbelieved who say: Allah is one of three: for there is no god except One God.
Correction: God is not one of three. God is one and three (of different categories) simultaneously.
Lets look take a closer look:
[5] Indeed those have disbelieved who say: "Allah is Al-Masih the son of Maryam." But said Al-Masih: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah, Allah will forbid him the Garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
[5] Indeed those have disbelieved who say: Allah is one of three : for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
In verse 72 it is specifical addressed to Christians, in verse 73 it is a
GENERAL ellaboration as Christianity is
NOT the
ONLY religion with a Three that are one or One that is three making up a godhead belief ie trinity. Remember, Muhammad came to deliver the message of the Quran to ALL MANKIND. Verse 72 already condems the belief that Jesus is Allah which automatically condemns any ideology surrounding it that aids such belief.
The verse you are looking for that sepcifically is directed to Christians was already revealed:
O People of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Three": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. 4:71
And as a reminder the Quran it self does not say "TRINITY" it only says "thalaathah" meaning "THREE". Your concept of interpreting the Quran is merely following another according to his interpretation ie Christian circulated propaganda and Chrisitian perspectives that does not constitute a REALITY.