Christian/Muslim ThreadsScientif errors in the Koran: Shooting stars and the devilsAbdurrahman wrote:
You try to find error in Quran without success .
When Jınns and Deamon become issue of science we can talk about this ayah. These talks are in vain know . Sorry but nice try.
Kai replies:
Well so far you have presented nothing of significance, even your long quoting from any given scholar, in your last post, refuted none of my arguments.
Abdurrahman wrote:
Let s look at the bible which is more than 70 per cent fabrication of man.
Kai replies:
Really.
Abdurrahman wrote:
Bible vs science part 1
Genesis 1: 11-19 According to this passage, plants appear on the THIRD DAY of creation although the sun is not made until the FOURTH! Now apart from the obvious problem this raises concerning photosynthesis, it actually raises an even bigger scientific dilemma involving the temperature of the planet at the time. With no sun to provide heat of any kind, I assume that the temperature of the atmosphere would be at or near Absolute Zero or –459 degrees Fahrenheit. Please explain what kinds of plants could hope to survive in those conditions.
Genesis 1:3-5 Light somehow exists BEFORE the bodies that generate it. Similarly, “day” and “evening” exist for 3 days before the sun does.
Kai replies:
But is Genesis then, not in full agreement with the Koran, take a look at Sura 41: 9-12:
9 Say: 'Do you disbelieve in Him who created the earth in two days? And do you set up equals with Him? He is the Lord of the Worlds.'
10 He set firm mountains on top (of the earth) and He blessed it. And in four days He ordained in it many provisions, equal to those who ask.
11 Then He willed to the heaven when it was smoke, and to it and the earth He said: 'Come willingly, or unwillingly.' 'We come willingly,' they answered.
12 In two days He determined them seven heavens, and He revealed to each heaven its commands. We decorated the lowest heaven with lamps and preserve them. Such is the decree of the Almighty, the Knower.
As a matter of fact even Muhammad, your prophet (in Sahih Muslim) shared a similar view:
Hadith No. 6707:
"Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger (mpbuh) took hold of my hands and said: Allah the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and He caused animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam (pbuh) after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, ie. Between afternoon and night."
Even al-Tabari who referred to Muhammad’s concept confirms the matter.
The History of al-Tabari, Volume 1- General Introduction and from the Creation to the Flood (trans. Franz Rosenthal, State University of New York Press, Albany 1989), pp. 187-193:
"The two reports transmitted by us from the Messenger of God have made it clear that the sun and the moon were created after God had created many things of His creation. That is because the hadith of Ibn Abbas on the authority of the Messenger of God indicates that God created the sun and the moon on Friday. If this is so, earth and heaven and what was in them, except the angels and Adam, had been created before God created the sun and the moon. All this (thus) existed while there was no light and no day, since night and day are but nouns designating hours known through the traversal by the sun and the moon of the course of the sphere. Now, if it is correct that the earth and the heaven and what was between them, except what we have mentioned, were in existence when there was no sun and no moon, the conclusion is that all existed when there was no night or day. The same (conclusion results from) the following hadith of Abu Hurayrah reported on the authority of the Messenger of God: God created light on Wednesday- meaning by `light' the sun, if God wills."
First of all, without even needing to defend the passage, do you not believe that God is all powerful? I thought that was essential to every Muslim.
Are you saying that God is not able to create things in his own way? And we have to confine him to our limited perception, which we call modern science.
If God speaks, would we not assume that even the atoms and the laws of the universe have to submit, at least that is what I read in the Koran. I am truly surprised bro!
Have you not questioned both the Bible and the Koran at this point?
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