Christian/Muslim ThreadsTrinity ~ God is One not 3! :: Re: Reply to OmegaRe: Reply to Omega No worries on my part, I accept you apology, but you must worry because you have been indoctrinated with an ancient heretical teaching. I don't believe that the Holy Spirit is striving with you, I know. As I made mention of it 3 or more times aread and your making no sense whatsoever, you seem confused my friend. Dear hisway take heed and leave the Church you attend, you have been indocrtinated by extremely seducing spirits. You are desperately trying each and every method possible to escape the Truth. Let me explain to you the situation you are in. You are digging a pit deeper than the amount of dirt which is able to fill it. Modalism is a very deceiving false doctrine that teaches that there is no Triune God but that God had revealed Himself in different modes, it is also known as modalistic monarchianism and on of the first main proponents of modalism was Noetus of Smyrna and in addition two noted leaders of the movement which includes Praxeas and Sabellius a Libyan priest. Because of Sabellius, modalism is also called Sabellianism. Sabellius was justly condemned as a heretic circa a.d. 220) by the Roman bishop, Callistus, and by bishop Dionysius. Modalist or oneness adherents vehemently proclaim that the trinitarian doctrine is nowhere to be found within the Bible and that it is either demonic in origin, pagan or associates with the mark of the beast. Just as Jesus was accused of being on the side of Satan, so is those who Truly know the voice of Truth and know God personally. Each memeber of the Triune God clearly display their own personal will and intellect signifying that they are distinct persons. How can there be three and yet remain one God? Nothing comes before the Son, nothing comes before the Father and nothing comes before the Holy Spirit, thus making them all Eternal without beginning. God precedes us but nothing precedes any of the persons of the Godhead. If the Father existed before the Son then the Son could not be called God, but the Son had always existed and neither member preceded each other, therefore making them ONE GOD in Unity! You shut out the Kingdom of God to those who seek Him with all their hearts, Christ shed His precious blood so that those who accept it in FAITH may receive Eternal Life. You and other heretical teachers have contaminated Christ precious blood and obliviously and continually make a mockery of it. You may say that the LORD is striving with me, your only taking my warning with you in which I have presented and failing to take heed, your deceivng yourself and letting it backfire. I have seen many fall from the Truth and into very deceptive doctrines because of this, they fail to take heed that they in fact take my advice in which I have given them and use it against me. I have been around longer than you think my friend. Once again, MY WARNING given DIRECTLY from the LORD HIMSELF, take heed and DO NOT STRIVE AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST, You know that you are! The LORD tells me so, be not deceived! I Truly pray that the LORD have MERCY on you and that the scale from your eyes be removed, Your speaking off-topic and has nothing to do with the Triune nature of God whatsoever. If you believe that if one fails to be baptised in water condemns them then you are only condemning yourself. You are once again making a MOCKERY of the precious blood of Christ, if you offend Christ you offend me, you persecute Christ you do the same to me. However I take joy in persecution knowing that I speak on behalf of the Truth. However spirits that masquerade as Truth especially in these LAST DAYS, have confounded you with false doctrine which is ANOTHER GOSPEL!. Now lets see for ourselves the Baptismal Formula or better yet lets compaer it to the Baptism of JESUS! When Jesus was Baptised what occured?We clearly see the three Persons in the baptism of Jesus found in the Book of Matthew 3:16-17. In these passages, here the Father is speaking from heaven, the Son is being baptized, and the Spirit is descending from heaven as the form of a dove. As we can see, Jesus is not speaking with himself here and neither is Jesus a ventriloquist. But in this passage Jesus is clearly spoken to by the Father. Another passage is found in Matthew 17:1-9 in regards to the transfiguration on the mount where Jesus and the Father are clearly demonstrated as separate in person to the Father. We see that the Son's pre- existent glory is unveiled at that moment when by the presence of the Father in the cloud.We see the Son in communication taking place, marked with the familiar love of the Father for the Son. John 12:28 also demonstrates the distinction of person of the Father and the Son. The usage of the words "You", "me", "I", "we" clearly demonstrate separate persons. "The" preceding the title of each member of the Triune God demonstrates distinctiveness in person, e.g. The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. "In the Name" is not stating that each are on person but is designating titles given to each member, the name shared by all three persons of the Triune God is "Yahweh" or "Jehovah." W know that Jesus did not say "I am the Father," neither did did He ever say that the Son and the Father are one {person.} The first person plural esmen {we are}) is clearly implying two distinct persons and the neuter for the word (one) is {hen} and is used to imply an essential unity but not personal unity, example:That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me(John 17:21-23). Furthermore Jesus cried out "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Some of the early heretical teachings, most of them gnostic in character state that there was some sort of "separation" of the Deity from the human Son at that moment. The Truth is that this is the Son addressing the Father is crystal clear, unless Jesus said:"My God, My God, why have I forsaken Myself?" What modalists do is seek out their own Gniostic explanation to find another explanation to this, however what their really doing is delving deeper in demonic thoughts and otherworldy interpretations that are not Holy-Spirit given. You my friend are condeming yourself with your own words, rebellion is indeed the sin of witchcraft which you continually to do. I have been baptized in Water and have received Salvation by accepting the precious blood of Christ, and even had elders lay their hands on me. And God PROMISED that He would never allow me to be deceived, but sent me as one who will EXPOSE ALL FALSE DOCTRINES, Furthermore He told me that false teachers will come into the picture deceiving and being deceived at the same time. Many will faile to take heed and condemn themselves because of this. Once again you haven't answered any of my questions and still failed to refute any of them which clearly shows evidence that you are desperately trying to find a solution based on your own understanding! You can continue to convince people with your fancy speeches and deceptive doctrine, I warned you kindly that please refrain from teaching heretical doctrine within the body of Christ and yet you continue to make as if the Major body of Christ is scoffing and belittling God. Just like unto all other false teachers who try and avoid answering my MANY refutations they switch to the old lets stick to one! You NEED to stop persecuting Christ!!! Why are only trinitarian churches are homosexuals being ordained as clergy and same sex unions are being blessed? Evey single church that I have been to and every worshipper or the Triune God disagree with that, what you are doing is finding faults to condemn them, example of Scripture fulfilled:2 Timothy 3:3 - Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Oh and BTW, how would it sound if I added Modalism to your list of heresies. To your own liking, you have itching ears my friend and whatever does not align with your understanding of Scriptures it is considered either pagan or demonic. If God has revelead Himself than He has been seen, what did JESUS say? No one has seen Him. Do you or do you not understand clearly what He has just said? Jesus is the God the Son who is co-equal with God, (the) Father and (the) Son and (the) Holy Spirit and the usage of a definite article before each personal noun is indicating clearly distinct persons unless explicitly stated otherwise. God i smanifested in Scripture as the Father who spoke to Jesus and told Him that He loved Him and was pleased. God was manifested as the Son of God who is called Christ who spoke to His Father who was in Heaven an prayed to Him that we may be one even as He is one. God was manifested as the Holy Spirit who is "Another"(allos) comforter. The Father, Son, and Spirit expressed eternal and internal relations within the Godhead and that they are personal designations. The Father is one person, the Son is (another) person, and the Spirit (another) person. It is not allo kai allo, but allos kai allos; explicitly point to "Another" and that each member says I, Thou, to either of the other members. Jesus said that His sheep know His voice and follow Him and also stated that there will be many to whom He will say "I never knew you" All Genuibe Children of God are saved because the accepted the Precious shed blood for the remission of their sins and not because of water bapstism which is performed out of obedience and not essential for salvation. When you teach that there are extracurricular duties that must be performed and in the proper manner in addition to the shed blood of Christ you demonstrate that you do not know Him on a personal Level. You can claim to speak in tongues and state that it is a sign of salvation, but by doing so you are condemning ALL who is a maority of the Body of Christ who cannot speak in tongues, furthermore I would like to point out that the Scriptures state that speaking in tongues is the least of all gifts, especially if you lack Love which is the greatest. I can exercise every spiritual gift that you can, my point is not that is shows that I am saved but my point is rather that I am saved because I accepted the Precious Blood of Jesus Christ, along with many others who have done the same. Christ suffered unbearable agony and torment upon that Cross the likes of which you can never comprehend, and to say that there are essential in addition to the Blood of Christ not only makes a mockery at Him but clearly displays that you do not Truly accept His Blood as the price for your soul, this has severe and eternal ramifications my friend, you must take heed and I speak out ove love and concern. Once again for the LAST TIME, (I say) AGAIN unto youLEASE DO NOT STRIVE AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT! You will feel His conviction after reading this post and if you fail to take heed or deny it then you have once again hardened your heart which may lead to the crystallization of the Truth which I have presented to you. If you cannot see within these verses what the TRUE MEANING OF ONE means than surely you do lack spiritual understanding: That{hina} they all{pas} may be{ace} one{heis}; as{kathos} thou{su}, Father{pater}, art in{en} me{emoi}, and I{kago} in{en} thee{soi}, that{hina} they{autos}also{kai} may be{ace} one{heis} in{en} us{hemin}: that{hina} the world{kosmos} may believe{pisteuo}that{hoti} thou{su} hast sent{apostello} me{me}. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me(John 17:21-23) Perhaps others alongside with me can pray that you finally step out of this false doctrine and into the light of the Truth. You WILL feel the Truth convict you, the question is.. will you continue to resist?
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