Christian/Muslim ThreadsTrinity ~ God is One not 3!Hi everyone.... So the Son is the Father and the Father is the Spirit and the Spirit is the Son... i.e. they are all one entity... and these titles are just that.. titles? if Jesus are the Father are one entity... then ... i dont understand this verse..... If i am not mistaken there is a verse in the Bible stating the God is not a God of confusion... which i feel is true... now.. whenever i try to go in deep study of the trinity... well... i reach a stop point which i just cant pass over... are the 3 persons in reality just one person are are they actually 3... if the former then this would contradict the many many many verses of atleast 2 of the 3 persons interacting with each other. if the latter... then it contradicts the "Hear o israel.... "verse... And to be honest with you all ... i just cant seem to get over this. Hi TSJ... greetings.... this is problem no. 2... 100% of the time every trinity thread ever started ends up with the "Mystery of God" explaination. which i agree is perfectly fine... for a person born as a christian... how?? well from day 1 he will be told this time and again to a point where it will be like 2nd nature to him... sort of like programming... (plz... this is true for any religion... even in Islam... the shia program their kids the sunni do so too the hindus etc... everyone does it... well program might be a harsh word... but i do hope you all understand what i am trying to get at) But what about the outsider? forinstance... a non-denomination guy wishes to understand christianity... now this guy is a rational scientific type guy... so... how does one go about it??? first explain the Original sin... and how we all are in sin etc... which can be explained... although not to absolute certanity but at least get the point across... 2nd explain how God loves His creation etc that He chose to sacrifice His only son for the sake of man kind. .... hold on a moment... this is when the guy will say " God's son???" 3rd explain Trinity. now if the christian guy who was showing this guy all stuff... well.. he will state the standard trinity explaination 3=1 ... and honestly speaking ... this outsider knowledge seeker will get stumped. Guy: is it one??? or is it 3?? Christian : "Well i am sorry my friend... but this is how God works... we do not know... and there is no way we will ever know.. .true the statements sound contradicting.. but that is the mystery of God... the creation cannot understand the creator... you will just have to accept this on blind faith" Guy : why??? Christian : "coz i said so" Guy : How can a non christian accept a christian doctrine without understanding it... without it making sense... If the bottom line requirement is blind faith and not rationale ... then whats wrong with hinduism or judaism or islam or even the zulu religion... they all have faith... what makes christianity superlative ??? So you see the delima ... this just doesnt cut it. anyways i appreciate the responses... thanks... Peace ya'll Ali |
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