Christian/Muslim ThreadsTrinity ~ God is One not 3!H20: Huh? Its Absolutely irrelevant whether the verse refers to Christianity to the exclusion of other sects/religions or not – concentrate with me here. The fact it is a reference to Christianity nonetheless (whether that be exclusively or inclusively) as you yourself have acknowledged by bringing up 9:30 means the fundamental flaw remains. For clearly the very concept of the “son of God” in 6:101 is being rejected on the very basis that God has no consort – which very explicitly suggests that the Son of God concept arises from a belief that God carnally generated a Son. Since the Christian belief in the Son of God does not lie on this reasoning – the author of your quran is either deceptive and/or a liar. To further emphasise this we only need to look at Surat 19:88: “Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!” 19:88 is SPECIFICALLY referring to the concept of a “BEGOTTEN SON” - which is the Christian belief of Christ as the only begotten Son of God. When we take into account Surat 72:3 we find that it associates the concept with CARNAL generation: “He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.” Christian do not believe in God carnally begetting Christ. Explain this straw man and/or lie. Obviously you are inept. The verse says nothing about the worship of Jesus and Mary to the exclusion of God. Its talking about Jesus and Mary being taken up as two separate deity's BESIDE (not to the EXCLUSION of) allah. Hence suggesting a tritheism of allah, Jesus, and Mary. Now you didnt address even ONE of the issues i addressed in my clarification of true Christian doctrine, which the above verse has clearly misrepresented. Lets go through them one by one. 1)Christians believe Christ made a self-claim to divinity, claims to an intricate and unique relationship with God, such that He would be included within the unique identity of God we DONT believe as your quran suggests that Jesus taught that he is “a god” BESIDES God. 2) Christians believe Mary is a mere HUMAN – that has always been the Christian belief concerning Mariology (Catholics and Orthodox included). We DONT believe as your quran suggests that Mary is “a god” BESIDES “Allah”. 3)The Trinity constitutes of three persons namely; The Father, The Son and Holy Spirit – and NOT as your quran makes implicit – a tritheism of God, Jesus, Mary. Thanks for pointing out the irrelevant. You have not denied that the verse refers to the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, the only thing your saying is that it doesnt refer EXCLUSIVELY to the Trinity doctrine. (putting aside the obvious problem with that assertion at this stage since it is irrelevant in the first place) Let me repeat the Christian doctrine of the Trinity does NOT suggest that God is “ONE OF THREE” it is a belief of Gods being simulataneously one and three (of different categories ofcourse). So far the evidence speaks for itself - the only propoganda being circulated is within your very own book. Taking the above to its logical conclusion – the author of the quran has either deceptively misrepresented Christian doctrine or he (or her or they or it) is simply ignorant. Take your pick. |
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