Science, Creation & Evolutionsubstitute biology teacherwow.... No, I did not say that. I used one of the simplest life forms we are aware of, as the scientists themselves did, to see if we could demonstrate evolution with that. In two and a half million linear generations of time we could get no changes other than a slightly altered metabolic pathway and a slight size change. Now, the point was that if this simple an organism cannot be induced to evolve in 2.5 million generations, by what mechanism could anything more complex evolve? It's sort of like the old alchemy thing -- if you can't get a brick to turn into gold, why think it could happen with the Great Wall of China? The point I was making about the dogs is that we can see a great deal of variation within kind, but we do not EVER find one kind of animal changing into another -- any more than the simple E.coli could change into something other than E.coli. We can see a lot of variation within kind, but we have never seen it from one kind to another. Yes, we do see some mixing of genes in bacteria and even in some plants. Even with that, E.coli remain E.coli, ferns remain ferns, pansies stay pansies, etc. etc. etc. The idea of adaptation to environment has nothing to do with any given individual in a population. No individual can change its own genetic heritage. Adaptation means natural selection in a population. That means that those less capable of dealing with a particular ecological niche die out, presumably leaving few or no progeny. In this way the population as a whole adapts to the environment. Individuals either make it or not. However, these populations do not change what they are. Bears remain bears, crows remain crows, elephants remain elephants... As far as you not caring for the truth, I don't think you do. I think you are simply having fun on this board arguing, regardless of facts or any other evidence. Aineo, regarding your post Sat Sep 25, 2004 09:58 am -- well put, and thank you. On your post after than you mentioned that evolution is an hypothesis with no empirical evidence to back it up. That means it is not an hypothesis! It is an idea, and that is all. Hypotheses are EDUCATED guesses! One does hope that one bases one's education on facts and evidence where science is concerned! Jovaro again. on Sep 25, 2004 01:04 pm , you wrote Science note: one cannot prove an hypothesis. One can only disprove it. The evidence with E.coli is strong support for the hypothesis that evolution cannot happen beyong simple variation within kind. Later on you responded to your own quote. Interesting tactic.... interesting statement that facts about evolution attempts are irrelevant to the discussion of evolution! Continuing down past the webmaster's excellent review of the scientific method, Jovaro wrote Jovaro, you are talking about what mutations really have done! Even if evolution were true, if we had evolved into this a few million years ago, we never would have made it at all! What you are seeing in your back is probably too much time at the computer and not enough outdoors working! And what you are seeing with your eyes is the result of mutations. Mutations tear down, they do not build up. Webmaster, you wrote That's ideal.... but it seems that most scientists, especially in the areas of evolution and origins, come with preconceptions so firmly in place that evidence has almost no bearing on the matter. Also, data is often needing/subject to interpretation -- and that happens according to preconceptions. Are thunderbolts the products of an angry god or of natural conditions? It depends on the beliefs you come in with. The thunderbolts are simply there. Aineo, on your post of Sep 27, 2004 12:25 am -- Amen! Finally, skipping to Jovaro's last post where he states Jovaro, this is purely imaginary. There is no evidence in the slightest to indicate our universe has the gravitational or any other force necessary to collapse in on itself. You are literally mixing up facts we are aware of with a lot of fiction. Imagination is fun, but keep it in its place. |
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