Christian/Muslim ThreadsChauvinism and ReligionWhy do you erroneously assume that Christs message was specified to the Jews alone, and confined to a “particular region”?– You do realize he called upon apostles to preach the gospel of the Kingdom all throughout the world (Luke 10:1-23 amongst others) and that His message is essentially universal. Prophecies that Christ’s message was for Jews and Gentiles alike: Amos 9:11-12 "‘After these things I will return, and I will rebuild the tabernacle of David which has fallen, and I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, in order that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by My name,’ says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old." Psalm 19:4 "Their (the disciples of Christ) voice has gone out into all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world." Isaiah 65:1 "I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me (that is the gentiles obviously); I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me. I said, ‘Here am I, here am I,’ a nation which did not call on My name." Christ speaking to His holy apostles: Matthew 10:18 "and you shall even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles." An OT prophecy concerning Christ is quoted in the NT to emphasize His ministry. Matthew 12:18 "Behold, My Servant whom I have chosen; My Beloved in whom My soul is well-pleased;; I will put My Spirit upon Him, and He shall proclaim justice to the gentiles." Apostles mentioning the purpose of their ministry which will be under the inspiration of God's spirit, that Christ conferred upon them (notice how some under the divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit recall OT prophecies which are being fulfilled by their ministry): Matthew 12:21 "And in His name the Gentiles will hope." Romans 15:12 "And again Isaiah says, ‘There shall come the root of Jesse (Jesus The Christ), and He who arises to rule over the Gentiles, In Him shall the Gentiles hope.’" (Isaiah 11:10) Romans 9:24-25 "Even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles. As he says also in Hosea, "I will call those who were not My people, ‘My people,’ and her who was not beloved, ‘beloved.’" Acts 13:47 "For thus the Lord has commanded us, ‘I have placed you as a light for the Gentiles, that you should bring salvation to the end of the earth.’" Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel." Acts 10:43-44 "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins." While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. And all the circumcised believers who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out upon the Gentiles also. Romans 3:29-30 "Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one." Romans 1:5 "Through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles, for His name’s sake" Colossians 1:27 "To whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." Romans 15:15-16 "But I have written very boldly to you on some points, so as to remind you again, because of the grace that was given me from God, to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God." And finally Christ says: John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Would you agree that fighting/killing someone on the basis of their reliigious beliefs, is in a way an extreme level of "forced cinversion" in the sense that such actions are in effect saying "If you're not Mulim, you will be fought against or even die"? "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular Prayers and practise regular Charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful” 9:5 (Allah's mercy and love is conditional is it?) “Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute (Jizyah tax) readily, being brought low. And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!” 9:29-30 (This is NOT an oppressive tax???) “O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).” 9:123 In his Musnad (vol. 2, p. 50) Imam Ahmed narrates by Ibn Omar: “the Prophet said: ‘I was sent by the sword proceeding the judgment day and my livelihood is in the shadow of my spear and humiliation and submission are on those who disobey me.’” Omar Ibn al-Khatab said: “I heard the prophet of Allah saying: ‘I will cast Jews and Christians out of the peninsula and I won’t leave any one in it but Muslims.’” (Sunan Abu Dawud, vol. 2, No. 28, from the Muhaddith program[2]) Ibn Ishaq and al-Waqidi report that the prophet said the morning after the murder (of Kab Ibn al’Ashraf), “Kill any Jew you can lay your hands on.” (El beddayah wa alnihaya – Ibn Katheer – vol. 4 – in the chapter on killing Ka’ab bin al’Ashraf) Ibn Ishak said: “The apostle said, “Kill any Jew that falls into your power.” Thereupon Muhayyisa ãÍíÕÉ b. Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayyisa ÍæíÕÉ was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed him Huwayyisa began to beat him, saying, ‘You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?’ Muhayyisa answered, ‘Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.’” (El badyah wa alnihaya – Ibn Katheer – vol. 4 – in the chapter on killing Ka’ab bin al’Ashraf) Abd Allah ibn Sa’ed (Omr ibn al-Khatab servant) said: “Arab Christians are not Christians, I am not leaving them until they become Muslims or I cut their throats.” (Kanzu ‘umal – al mutka al hindi – vol. 4, No. 11770) Omar ibn al-Khatab (the second caliph) I checked the preceding/proceeding verses of the more vital quotes above that contradict your "Islam is peace" notion. If you feel ive missed something in the context that you feel is of relevance, go for your life buddy. |
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