Science, Creation & EvolutionAge of the EarthTedlusk wrote: well since these scientists i'm talking about (like Newton, and Pasteur, and Maxwell and Mendel and so many others) believed and understood the Bible (including understanding creation), it seems that it's now YOU who's setting up a false dichotomy. Like I said. You just set up a false dichotomy, so your question is now wrongheaded. The scientists I just mentioned contributed greatly under the axiom of biblical creation (which for all practical purposes is indistinguishable from creation science, except the fact that it wasn’t specifically called “Creation Science” back then). Kinda like how dinosaurs weren’t referred to as “dinosaurs” before the phrase was coined. And I showed you that it was a foolish attempt at an argument and the application was wrong. It wasn’t a false dichotomy. Setting my truth erroneously against your “false dichotomy” was itself a false dichotomy. this coming from a man who "gleefully" admits his own position's ignorance in such things as the origin of the universe, and the origin of life. Those are no more than examples of Naturalistic Evolution, Theistic or “Intelligent” Evolution (which we’re not talking about right now), and Creation. Why can’t you seem to understand that there are no other options? Science is repeatable, testable observations and discoveries that can be seen and measured. Has the origin of the universe been “tested or observed”? Has abiogenesis been “tested and observed”? Has the age of the universe been “tested and observed”? Has a dinosaur turning into a bird been “tested and observed”? If your answers to those questions is no, then evolution falls outside of the parameters of science. sure. read the Bible and count the years from creation to now. then you'll see. aside from that, there are many others like the earth's magnetic field decaying too quickly to be as old as evolutionists say, comets in our solar system still present, not enough salt in the oceans, diamonds containing carbon that shouldn't be there, helium still in the rocks that should have diffused already if millions of years were true, and a lot more. look here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/young.asp funny. if life can't begin, how can it evolve? ahhh yes. the insurmountable wit and intelligence of an evolutionist's response. that's exactly the kind of response i was expecting. that very fact that i pointed out right there destroys your whole belief system, probably why you responded that way. You got a better explanation? “It all came from nothing”, and “Intelligence and rationality came from an irrational, or ‘a-rational’ first cause”? sounds like you’re dedicated to this evolution myth, no matter how absurd its constructs. is that one of your "scientific" theories too? how do you know that God didn't guide these people in revealing His perfect Word and plan? sounds like you're attempting to make a philosophical statement into an undisputed fact (pretty much the same thing you're accusing me of). you're far too inconsistent to be taken seriously. not the account of the all-seeing, all-knowing Creator. i would expect that He would know how and when He created since He did it and does not lie (Numbers 23:19). your idea of science is very naive. what you say is not reality, sorry to tell you. you've been decieved by the clever machinations of the very people who are professing to make things clear for you. like i've said before, "Science doesn't say anything, Scientists do." And since science naturally comes from the very nature of God, then when you accuse me of starting with my conclusions (God and the Bible), you're really just saying that i'm starting with science (or at least the logical foundation for science in the first place). goodness. my apologies. i just didn't make that connection. like i said, if life can't begin, it can't evolve. therefore abiogenesis must be considered in evolution. to say otherwise is foolish. and of course i'm not saying that abiogenesis is evolution, but it must be a necessary component in order to be able to explain anything. i highly doubt you would exclude it so summarily were you to have an irrefutable explanation for it. change? in what way? we can see things change all the time, from mutations and genetics and environmental adaptation and other influences, but that doesn't equate to evolution. the hurdle you need to get over is a change that involves adding ENORMOUS amounts of genetic information in order to change microbes into men. if you or anyone has observed the necessary processes that enable the increase of information in the genome of an organism to increase by the equivalent of thousands of volumes of information, do tell. the fact of the matter is that all we see is usually a sorting or loss of already existing genetic information. like i said, NAIVE. mock all you want, but that single fact right there has led many to deny the Creator strictly on moral terms:
or maybe what i just mentioned??? that may be the poorest argument you've used thus far (and you've used some pretty bad ones): a person who does such things could never be considered a follower of Christ. in fact, that act that you mentioned is completely ok under an evolutionary system of thought. think before you respond. ignorance can be bliss. i'm glad i'm ignorant of the brainwashing power that secular humanism has over the people of the world, leading them to lawlessness and ultimately judgment for their rejection of their God and Savior Christ Jesus. yeah. Job 40 speaks about what can only be a gaint dinosaur (sauropod) well before such animals were even known about (according to the evolutionists). Isaiah 40:22 speaks about the sphericity of the earth, disproving the old canard of the "flat earth" theory. there you go. there's two right there. you ought to be scared. rejection of the Son means judgment at the hands of the Almighty God. the only way back to salvation is to start with repentance. you sound like a far cry from that, so i'm sad for you. oh, surely i did. you don't have to be silly here. |
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