Joseph wrote:sardab wrote:I think this is the big delusion. You think 9/11 should make Muslims sceptical and shameful about their own faith, which is clearly not the case. There are many questions about the 9/11 event itself, but even if the Muslims did it; until Western world accepts its role there will be no real peace whatsoever. It was a reaction to something, and until West probes in that something to identify its role, fighting will go on. Sadly. And until you grasp our point of view, you'll naively countinue to expect Muslims to be shameful. No way!
There are many Muslims who do not subscribe to the 9/11 conspiracy theory. They are neither skeptical nor shameful of their faith, while rejecting what fdjohna wishes to propagate.
Now, after you claim me as "A dreamer", you accused me as a "PROPAGATOR". What a nice Christian you are Josh. This guy is really-really a coward. Come with hundreds of accusation but RUN when people challenge him to talk. You just make Christianity a bad name.
On what higher ground do you and fdjohna stand on, and what reason do you have in suggesting for person to be true Muslim, one must fall in line with, "our point of view"? Muslim monolithism is a product of your imagination.
Another accusation. Now he called people as "IMAGINATOR".
Fdjohna speaks for Muslims with his Learned Ones argument, or it was made to appear so during his moment of addressing the JCF Muslim gallery, to remind them what Muslims believe. I read no disagreements to his statement directed toward Muslim readers nor objections to his Learned Ones argument which he practically used in every rebuttal: No protest to his argument which rendered Islam's Learned Ones into a bunch of mini-Mohammeds. I objected to fdjohna's incessant use of Learned Ones, stating, constant beckoning to them is not a defense, and he begged to differ. Now both (you and fdjohna) are looking for a way out by blaming me for pointing to where Learned Ones argument has led and accusing me of merely attempting to instill malaise into Muslim readers. And both are trying to have the issue yield to geopolitics.
Josh, you just talk too much but you show nothing about your own quality.
You prove us that you don't know anything about what you accused. But you tried to hide it by your own rethoric. If you are strong and good knowledge about what you claimed. You won't be a chicken like this when people challenge you to talk first. We are standing here waiting for you to throw your weapon. but what I see that you left your own post.
Nonetheless, although a sound argument has been made, I certainly do not believe I have made a convincing argument, that terrorism has foundation in Islam, notwithstanding the excellent contributions from fdjohna for argument.