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Joseph wrote:fdjohan wrote:Isn't it not good also for you to talk or come with the case one by one. Show people that you are not a Christian with STEREOTYPE manner. What do you know about Osama and his movements, let us start about it. If don't know much about those people you mentioned why you come with such claims?
If you feel they are simply misunderstood, esp. because of sterotyping, then you should explain how so.
You come with the claim, you explain and I will response or debate you.
Listen, the argument is not the biography of the men nor goals of movement , its about whether their actions are Islamic. My argument is, the mentioned men are learned ones of Islam and they have determined by whatever religion sciences, their actions are Islamic.
Now, you also have to listen to us Josh. Don't come with such claim or accusation if you confuse when people ask you to talk about it one by one.
You come with such NEGATIVE claims about Islam so YOU have to come to explain. You have to prove if you have good knowledge about what you are talking about.
You mention something about "
My argument". WHERE is your argument? I believe you your self confuse about the meaning of the word ARGUMENT.
Argument: "A fact or statement put forth
as proof or evidence" That os the best meaning of argument in DEBATE forum. And what did you do? You came with nothing but just gave us the names and make NEGATIVE claims about Islam. Do you all people see his so called ARGUMENT? NO Josh. People is this forum read that you come with nothing but just NEgative claim. That's all. Nothing about ARGUMENT.
So if you have a GOOD KNOWLEDGE about what you claimed, show it to us.
By your own witness, learned ones interpret the Quran for Muslims correct thought and actions. I do not know what more you want. You should make your rebuttal, instead of worrying how it shows Christians.
I don't like to RUN like you Josh, and I am also not a chicken. It's time for people with tons of accusations PROVES what they've learned so far. If you can't come with your so CALLED ARGUMENT, we can call you a wishfull thinking. Making claims without any knowledge.
Joseph wrote:...whose judgment determines innocence; do you know more about Islam than Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, or Abu Musab al-Zarqawi?
fdjohan wrote:Al-Qur'an determines everything about the innocent non-believers. Want to talk about it?
Joseph wrote:I want explanation instead of the confusing the issue you always want to offer. Here is how discussions with are going: Learned ones determine correct interpretations of Quran and Quran determines correct action for Muslims.
fdjohan wrote:I just wonder. Which confusing isue? You came here with nothing to do with the title of the thread. My replies related to the title. Which is confusing?
The learned ones provide you the historical fact of the verses and in what situation and condition the verses about, and the real message of the verses. Those things ignored by you all. Correct action of Muslims is what Qur'an determine what Muslims must be.
Joseph wrote:Nothing to do with topic? Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi are learned ones of Islam. And seems you have missed their sermons on historical facts of Quran verses, situation and condition which are supporting their Islamic terrorism. I remind forum readers of your position, only learned ones are allowed to make Quran interpretations. Inferring from your comment ("I've never said that I am more knowledgeable than any Muslims") , you are unable to determine if words and deeds of the mentioned Muslim scholars are Islamic or kafirun.
Again, want more do want? There is no trap being set for like that which you claim is your intention to set for opponent. The only trap I see is that which you have set for yourself, with learned ones defense that was used in nearly every argument. Make your case of whether the learned ones actions are Islamic or not.
It's not about TRAP or not A TRAP. We are in debate forum. People come with such claims MUST followed by ARGUMENTS, and we will debate you by ARGUMENTS. That's what the things work if you stll believe we are in MATURE discussion. Don't you throw other STONE and you run Josh.
At this point we can claim you don't know nothing about what you are talking about unless you start to explain.
As for 9/11 conspiracy theory, if you and readers believe I am running from debate on matter, so be it.
If you know the end will be like this, so DON'T make any claim such as "you are dreamin..etc". Regardless their religion are, people will see you youer own quality.
Salaam