BISMILLAHIRRAHMAANIRRAHIIM.
Hi KAI.
Thanks for spreading hate against Islam.
Actually forums like this that make me run away from Christianity and embrace Islam.
Anyway.
I posted those things about the victims of Christianity as my first move to show people in this forum about the dark side of Christianity. That's what we call the "ballance act".
I love talking in vocus. Let's just do it then.
Please remember, in this discussion, WE want BALLANCE and FAIR rules.
We have right to use our own references and so are you.
We have right to ask you the SOURCES.
From a Muslims perspective, I can see clearly what your problem is.
1. You have no knowledge (or don't care?) about the background (history) of the verses of AL-Qur'an . I keep telling this forum not to ignore the history of the verses. I don't care you believe the term of REVELATION or not, but every verses have their own history. This thing you can't ignore.
2. You have no knowledge (or don't care?) about the history of Prophet Muhammad(saw) him-self.
3. You have no knowledge what ISlam is and even al-Qur'an it self.
You make your argument by looking twice at what your Bible teach you. But you attack AL-Qur'an by accusing and exposing the verses that you have no knowledge about them.
OK For the start, I want us to talk and focusing to what we call as the TEACHING it self since you keep blaming the teaching as the fire starter of such an EVIL ACTS. Hope we will strict our self about this. to make this discussion more order. Please reply you comment to the things I posted.
I don't know if you've ever discuss this one or any Muslims have ever posted the peaceful act toward other human no matter what their religion are.
For this second move, I personally want to know your responses about what are given below.
All traslation by Yusuf Ali
6:151. Say: "Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from": Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.
Prohibited to TAKE any life without any justice and law.
[5]. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
The religion of Islam condemns the killing or even the persecution of people merely because they embrace a different religion. The Quran mandates the absolute freedom of religion in a society. It does not allow Muslims to fight except for self defense and to enforce peace. It does not allow restrictions on those who disagree on religious matters. It urges the Muslims to treat such people kindly and equitably.
[17]. Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).
No way to take any life without a cause.
60:8. Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
For those who do not do harm and evil toward Muslims, we are taught to deal with them
kindly and justly.
60:9. Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
So Muslims fight people for
those who fight you for (their) Faith and drive them
drive them out of their homes.
9:123. O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
Muslims fight people only if they are attacked.
[8]. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
We are tought to come to peace for any body who wants peace with us.
So There are teaching about peaceful act toward people no matter what religion they are.
I will talk about the verses you refer to us after this inshaALLAH.
Let us talk peaceful way since now.
Again now our first focus, talking about the teaching it self. So we better strict our discussion to this part first. Ok my friend?
Salaam