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Let us continue.
Remember that we focus our discussion to he earliest fragmented COPIES of the Koran.
Apple Pie's:
Again….who cares if Islam’s so called “prophet” wrote the sura?!
He obviously did not…as the earliest fragmented COPIES of the Koran only surfaced 100 years after his supposed life and times.
You are grasping at straws…
I'd like to narrow this discussion to Uthman(ra) manuskript which is still exist until now.
Khalif Othman was assassinated while reading the Aya "And if they believe even as ye believe, then are they rightly guided. But if they turn away, then are they in schism, and Allah will be thy protection against them" from this very manuscript, which is stained with his blood.
It was found that there is BLOOD STAIN in the manuscript. That blood stain is belongs to Uthman(ra) him-self.
This is the name used for the copy which 'Uthman kept himself, and it is said he was killed while reading it.
According to some the Umayyads took it to Andalusia, from where it came to Fas (Morocco) and according to Ibn Batuta it was there in the eighth century after the Hijra, and there were traces of blood on it. From Morocco, it might have found its way to Samarkand.
[Ibn Said: al-Tabaqatal-kubra, Cairo, n.d., Vol. 111, (1). pp. 51-2.]
This is just an article to support the argument to seek knowledge about how he was killed.
The short biography of Uthman bin Affan.
Find it here:
http://islamic-world.net/khalifah/khula ... iduun3.htm
Uthman ruled for twelve years. The first six years were marked by internal peace and tranquility, but during the second half of his caliphate a rebellion arose. The Jews and the Magians, taking advantage of dissatisfaction among the people, began conspiring against Uthman, and by publicly airing their complaints and grievances, gained so much sympathy that it became difficult to distinguish friend from foe.
It may seem surprising that a ruler of such vast territories, whose armies were matchless, was unable to deal with these rebels. If Uthman had wished, the rebellion could have been crushed at the very moment it began. But he was reluctant to be the first to shed the blood of Muslims, however rebellious they might be. He preferred to reason with them, to persuade them with kindness and generosity. He well remembered hearing the Prophet (peace be on him) say, "Once the sword is unsheathed among my followers, it will not be sheathed until the Last Day."
The rebels demanded that he abdicate and some of the Companions advised him to do so. He would gladly have followed this course of action, but again he was bound by a solemn pledge he had given to the Prophet. "Perhaps God will clothe you with a shirt, Uthman" the Prophet had told him once, "and if the people want you to take it off, do not take it off for them." Uthman said to a well-wisher on a day when his house was surrounded by the rebels, "God's Messenger made a covenant with me and I shall show endurance in adhering to it."
After a long siege, the rebels broke into Uthman's house and murdered him. When the first assassin's sword struck Uthman, he was reciting the verse,
"Verily, God sufficeth thee; He is the All-Hearing,the All-Knowing" [Qur'an 2:137]
Uthman breathed his last on the afternoon of Friday, 17 Dhul Hijja, 35 A.H. (June. (656 A.C.). He was eighty-four years old. The power of tHe rebels was so great that Uthman's body lay unburied until Saturday night when he was buried in his blood-stained clothes, the shroud which befits all martyrs in the cause of God.
This is to refute :
as the earliest fragmented COPIES of the Koran only surfaced 100 years after his supposed life and times. And Aineo's.
1. The Uthman(ra)'s manuscript / Samarkand manuscrpt is the manuscript that was read by Uthman before he was killed. Proven by the blood stain.
2. The manuscript written at least 20 years after Prophet (saw)'s death.
Let us strict the dialog about the first manuscript ever written.
At this point, Temporary conclution:
1. Apple Pie was wrong about the earlies fragment.
2. Apple Pie still provide nothing about HISTORICAL RECORD who did, how, where and when the NT texts transfered to Al-Qur'an