Apple Pie wrote:fdjohan wrote:
Apple Pie uses E.W. Lane as his reference. This is a bad start.
Bad start for you…that is….
No Apple Pie.
First, I gave you a chance to explain to us that your claim as a so called "Dictated theory" made up base on historical facts or record.
That E.W. Lane words from you was not talking about it.
Second, I am not starting with MUSLIMS writing. But with neutral sources.
There are no proves UNESCO working in Muslims side.
That's why I call a bad start. Can you start something with neutral sources?
Can Cristians make fair judgement? I believe they can.
Its
Christians
…and yes, we can, and we do…
Ow..thankGodness
Please keep in your mind, that I did not start my argument by using MUSLIMS OPPINION.
You could have fooled us.
By what? explanation please.
While, Apple Pie's argument is using CHRISTIAN's SIDE point of view, and none of them talk about HISTORICAL INFORMATION.
Please inform us exactly how using sura 43 (a chapter from your very own book of faith) is emanating from the “Christian side” of things….?
Is that related to historical evidences?
Further, Joseph already correctly observed that the Koran is being used as a “historical” record against your so-called argument.
If you cannot trust the historicity of your own book of faith, then what can you trust?
Gosh, I have to explain again
What is that you call historical evidences? by playin' MATCHING words between 2 books? I don't think so. Where is the sound of history for that?
I just don't understand why a smart guy like Joseph call that as historical.
Shall we discuss more about the word "HISTORICAL " now?
You'd better understand that this thread is talking about HISTORICAL RECORD, not about "WHAT CHRISTIAN THINK or MUSLIMS THINK".
We already understand this.
Good. But you start with E.W.Lane and his view.
What is taking you so long?
So long what? I don't understand.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT EXEGESIS OR LEXICON ETC also.
If you don’t like our references, then why did you state this in your opening post of this thread…?
Mature discussion, Solid references - from anywhere you can find.
Get a grip.
Yes.
Solid references - from anywhere you can find --about everything related to what this thread talking about .
Sorry I use your big words. I don't think that polite isn't it?
Until this point. Apple Pie GIVES NOTHING about proving his own words and his accusation about DICTATION THEORY on the HISTORICAL RECORD side.
To back up your statement you would have to disprove what we stated.
It is clear that you cannot do this.
Hence, you have no leg to stand on……again….
can you back up your claim by historical evidences or not?
Talking about historical record is not talking about OPPINION.
When are you going to practice what you preach?
Or….is it more fun to talk endlessly about excuses why things cannot be as they are…?
Why are you so hot when we want more of your explanation. If you can explain, well just go ahead and do it.
Do you think we'll just go SILENT when you attack our beloved Holy book?
If you can find historical record made my Christian Author, then please show the forum as long as it shows us the proves about the process of TRANSFERING Bible's text to Al-Qur'an.
But not Christian's OPPINION.
Done.
Which part is done?
I challenge Apple Pie to talk about this OBJECTIVE WAY and please do understand about what we are talking about.
Again…what part of sura 43 is escaping your intellect?
We are not talking about verses...OMG
Why is it so difficult to understand?
Sura 43 tells you point blank that the history of the Koran emanated from the Holy Bible that was translated into Arabic.
This is inescapable.
Your Koran was copied from the Hebrew and Greek Biblical scriptures.
You already turned your head and looked the other way once…are you going to do it yet again…and again…?
Have more respect for your origins.