Aineo wrote:lemmein wrote:Aineo wrote:lemmein, can you show me any unbiased studies that show reparative therapy is dangerous that did not use hand picked ex-ex-gays? Can you show me any truly scientific research done since 1976 by either APA? The answer is no since both so called professional scientific organizations adamately refuse to conduct or sanction such studies.
Reparative therapy is an
unproven and therefore,
potentially dangerous practice. That is an irrefutable fact. Please don't make me spoonfeed you again.
Prove it. So far all you have posted is your opinons and anecdotal studies that use the same methods you call lies and dishonest. The burden of proof lies on the one who takes the affirmative position and since the APA's have refused to do any detailed scientific peer-reviewed research on reparative therapy I am wondering where your will find your information.
Wrong. It is you who takes the affirmative position. You claim that reparative therapy is effective in changing sexual orientation and thus, YOU bear the burden of proof. Everyone knows that any practice that is unproven is potentially dangerous and reparative therapy is no exception. I have little patience for people who attempt to shift their burden of proof onto others. I suggest you make your case for reparative therapy quickly or concede.
This message board is a fundamentalist Christian message board that stands on Christian truth. What our members post does not make their opinions Christian truth. What I do not believe in is forcing our faith on others. What I do believe in, which is a basic tenet of the Christian faith is "love your neighbor as yourself" therefore sharing that God through faith in Jesus Christ can change ones sexual orientation is the message of this board, which if you checked our Forum Rules you would have known before you registered.
What does forcing beliefs onto others have anything to do with the fact that the ideas represented by this message board contradict your own? Again, you attempt to change the topic of the debate to avoid the question and I grow tiresome of it.
Now for those who are not Christian and are dealing with a homosexual orientation they can also change their orientation as demonstrated through thousands of studies prior to the APA 1973 decision effectively stopped all further real scientific research into this subject.
Oh those "thousands" of studies you produced for me? Oh wait. Yeah those ones I am refusing to accept. :roll:
Now do you think you can post something besides the sophomoric hubris that has filled your posts? Attacking Dr. Throckmorton as a dishonest liar is will not make your case.
Still waiting for you to make a case for your argument. Oh look, you haven't done so yet after three pages. Why am I not surprised?
People can and have changed their sexual orientation with and without proffesional help and not matter how much you belittle those who disagree with you your rantings will not change reality.
YAY! Let's play the "use rhetoric instead of evidence" game! Let me try... The sexual orientation of the vast majority of people cannot be changed. Most ex-gays or ex-straights are merely straights or gays that have been closeted for years and have only come out. And some others are bisexual and choose to repress their gay or straight attractions. It does not matter how much you continue to spill your spineless rhetoric but your rantings will not change reality.