ArchivedCBN - Memphis Group under Fire for Trying to Transform GaysFirst of all I am not going to rehash this thread, http://www.jesus-christ-forums.com/home/viewtopic ... 28&start=0 where you made outrageous claims and refused to respond to the facts I posted regarding the APA's use of the faulty Kinsey report and Hooker's less than scientific study in its decision to remove homosexuality from the DSMIII. Shock theraphy, aversion therapy, and chemicle therapy are not and never have been part of the ex-gay movement and are no longer used by reputable therapists as these techniques are a proven failure, also these techniques were used by many APA members. Also from your sited article: What is interesting concerning this criticism of Spitzer is Hooker used the same principles only with gay men in her "landmark" study used by the APA, so it appears that when the APA uses this technique it is okay but if someone actually researching the efficacy of counseling homosexuals who want to change uses it the study is flawed. Also from the site you linked to: Well, what do you know a study that used the same technique your are being critical of Spitzer for using! Can you spell hypocrite? As to your lack of civility have your read any of Joe Dallas' books? Joe is a married ex-gay. Have you checked out any real information on the ex-gay movement or is your only source UC Davis, which is a far from an unbiased source of accurate information. Also the information on your sited source that refers to Spitzer concerns an APA annual meeting so before you continue being hyper over my referrences to the APA you should at least analyze what you link to. As I have posted in other threads the APA is a source that refuses to do any peer-reviewed studies into the efficacy of ex-gay counseling, which alone shows this organization is far from scientific and is nothing more than a socio-political pawn of gay activistism. As I posted on the Bisexuality thread I would like to see some unbiased studies done by unbiased professional mental health experts into the efficacy of counseling since neither of the APA's have done any such research and it bases its opinions on anecdotal information received from those whose sought counseling for overcoming homosexuality and failed. Therefore any criticism you level as Spitzer et al also applies to your sources. What is interesting about any study into the efficacy of ex-gay counseling is the researchers are going to have to take what the respondents say at face value or live with them 24/7 for 20 years so they can see for themselves if those who do claim to have changed revert. I know some ex-ex-gays who were nothing more than sight-seers with no intent on seeking change, in fact a couple of them were predators seeking vulnerable men who they could seduce. In other words ex-gay group meetings were just another source for a quickie and an opportunity to add another notch to their headboards. Now, your lack of civility is calling all ex-gays liars and those who have changed as only repressing or suppressing their true sexuality. In spite of your hateful rhetoric people can and have changed their sexual orientation and since not all ex-gays have used the services of psychiatrists and psychologists the APA’s have no idea of the number of homosexuals who have successfully changed and are now married with children and happier than they were before. Unless ex-gays can be assured of their ethical treatment no psychologist or psychiatrist will get responses from men and women who have never availed themselves of professional help in overcoming homosexuality, therefore your appeals to “anecdotal” studies from ex-ex-gays are just as unreliable and biased as you claim Spitzer’s study to be. |
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