Muslim & Christian Discussion ForumPlease try and convince me otherwise.great response Truth Seeker Joshua... the answer's in the bible... no your a cynic you know that... the christian west is seen as heaven for 80% of the miserable world, and you sound like you are living in a hell hole. I can find 4 billion people or even more who'd wanna trade places and eat the junk food you've grown to detest. If you dislike it so much, go live in the Nepalese suburbs or so... i'd be happy to know that you traded your hatefull luxury to some child who'd love it, and you probably love their poor conditions and lack of luxury. Everyone would be happy. Europe? i'm from Europe... In my country 80% is catholic due to baptism and only 20% is practising, yet that still makes 2 to 6 million christians in such a small country as belgium. Alltough it used to be a bigger number, it's merely the catholic church's followers that is declining due to it's outdated image and the many scandals (not condemning the nazi's, priest scandals) and especially extentionalism and communist philosophies... Nietzsche tought secularists that they should hate religion instead of being indifferent of it and Marx said that religion is opium (tranqilizer) for the people. In the end Europe is culturaly one with christianity. Just like many muslims are muslim by tradition, so are many europeans christians by tradition (especially the latin and scandinavian parts) some may never studied the bible, but devoutly say prayer and sing along in mass... in Belgium and the Netherlands many protestant churches are on the march as an alternative to catholics (alltough i hope catholics -wich are doing an effort- get to regain their position). And now with muslim terrorism ironically it made moderate christians into more fundemental one's. you are unable to look at the root of the problem can you? can you accuse anything that jesus christ did as wrong? can you accuse anything that muhammed did as wrong? that's all it is about... the example you follow and the fruits they reap. how would we recognize false prophets? according to jesus? answer that.
the east persecutes christians wheter in communist china or in the islamic middle east. just like they persecute all religions wheter that be tibetian monks, parsis or sikhs. Their ideologies are dictatorships wich do not allow religious freedom. It's not the same God, you think God would trick christians to believe he crucified christ by hanging a look a like on the cross? and then 700 year later gonna say: "well i tricked you! and now you're going to hell for believing my trick, ain't i a sadist??" secularism will bring down islam, that's why terrorists are kicking and screaming to prevent infidel influence (like democracy, equality and freedom of speech) in the dar al islam. western one's affected by christian values. and will they reject the extremism of their prophet too? or will they keep on vouching for it? still fighting a personal vendeta against christianity? because you had a failed marriage?? i'm not married, but i'm sure alot of christians on this forum are more then happenly married. Why do you generalize them as if they aren't? We do not belong in the same breath, we do not need to learn from Islam... if you serve two masters, what will happen??? No more then a jelly fish needs a tooth brush. You are only intimidated because they are the second largest religion. You are so intimidated that you believe their large body of believers is a reason to believe their message is truth. we have not failed, if you read pre-muhammed arabian history, christianity was on the brink of converting arabia... just like it has converted pagan europe and pagan africa. "realize"???? what? that's just a fact every christian should know! all people who studied the scripture of christianity, said that what happend then was one of the best things to do, to seperate truth from errors at the beginning. The decisions they made at the council can still be proved correct by reading older works of early church fathers who condemned certain apocrypha as works of heretics. just like the council did. And the full canon was made over 200 years. not by the choice of one council... like what Dan Brown wants you to believe. Arius was a heretic simple as that, his theories were never heard of untill he came along to spread them... there is not one reason to believe he knew more about christ then the gospel writers. If Jesus was not God then the crucifixion was in vain... remember Galatians?
convert or die !!! boy must you love God's unselfish message of love... would you praise muhammed too? when you saw it happening on CNN? or you'd be punished by severe death infidels! ... dictatorship !! praise hitler!! he would of rid us of homosexuality and other decadences... that way we would have a more decent place to live in! one way or another! praise hitler!!! we do not hate or bomb muslims, merely for not believing in Jesus. We discuss with them in peace, not in bloodshed. You are lecturing the wrong people. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -- Edmund Burke |
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