Christian/Muslim ThreadsObservations on Christianity
Think it this way...a worthless fool comes to you and tells a lot of crap about, say, your brother, which you know is not the case...for ex. the fool saw your brother in a pub, and claims he takes alcohol...although you know that your brother went there to meet a friend...or the fool saw your brother running behind a man, and tells that he was chasing someone...but you know both your brother and that man was running to catch the bus....etc...you know, foolishness has no limits...
Since it is not the case let's take your analogy to it's logical conclusion:
Suppose the followers of your brother and his contemporaries made sahih (authentic) recordings of all your brother said and did, suppose recordings were made of when your brother raped a captured woman after decapitating her husband's head, killing her father, uncle and several relatives, without so much as letting her grieve, your brother just had to have sex with the poor widow that same day? suppose the recording says the poor widow wanted to sleep with your brother on the very same day that your brother decapitated her husband's head, killed her father, her uncle and several relatives!!! not even letting her mourn? would you sing praises of your brother alhamduillah, would your brother be a mercy for mankind?
Narrated 'Abdul 'Aziz:
Anas said, 'When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there yearly in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet . He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, 'Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.' He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, 'Muhammad (has come).' (Some of our companions added, "With his army.") We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.' He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, 'O Allah's Apostles! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.' So the Prophet said, 'Bring him along with her.' So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, 'Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.' Anas added: The Prophet then manumitted her and married her."
Thabit asked Anas, "O Abu Hamza! What did the Prophet pay her (as Mahr)?" He said, "Her self was her Mahr for he manumitted her and then married her." Anas added, "While on the way, Um Sulaim dressed her for marriage (ceremony) and at night she sent her as a bride to the Prophet . (Sahih Bukhari vol 1 no 367)
Ishaq:517 When the Apostle took Safiyah on his way out of town, she was beautified and combed, putting her in a fitting state for the Messenger. The Apostle passed the night with her in his tent. Abu Ayyub, girt with his sword, guarded the Apostle, going round the tent until he saw him emerge in the morning. Abu said, ‘I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people.
Suppose the followers of your brother had recordings where they said your brother allowed them to practice 'azl', I am sure since he is your brother you know what it means:
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3371:
Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it , for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
Muhammad once said to his followers: you will see, Allah will soon give you their land, their property and their women to sleep with (Ibn Hisham, vol.II, p.182).
Yet somehow the ashamed followers of your brother in this day and age do not see this as rape, maybe the followers of your brother (the ones in the west) know exactly what it means and what was happening but for a cultural identity chose to ignore this, this is a blessing and an act to be emulated alhamduillah!
Suppose the contemparies and followers of your brother had sahih (authentic) recordings that your brother superceeded his own law of 4 wives to a man, and not even paying dowry to some women he slept with (rape):
Tabari 39:194 "He (Muhammad) used to visit her (Mariyam) there and ordered her to veil herself, [but] he had intercourse with her by virtue of her being his property."
Suppose your brother had it recorded apparently via allah and jibreel that incest has been allowed for him:
33:50 O prophet, we made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their due dowry, or what you already have, as granted to you by GOD. Also lawful for you in marriage are the daughters of your father's brothers [incest], the daughters of your father's sisters [incest], the daughters of your mother's brothers[incest], the daughters of your mother's sisters[incest], who have emigrated with you [This is how koran interpretators got round to handling the immoral nature of your brother in the koran, they simply incorporate events in the life of your brother to justify koranic passages no matter how immoral, they are aware that your brother slept with all the above so they simply interpolate it into the koran and claim allah revealed it regardless of how sickening it is, incest is a sin in both christianity and judaism, and the subject was taboo in your brother's day too hence the furore over his marriage with zaynab]. Also, if a believing woman gave herself to your brother - by forfeiting the dowry - your brother may marry her without a dowry[ofcourse to excuse your brother sleeping with several women and not paying them their dowry, why would a believing woman forfeit her dowry so she can have sex with your brother? isn't the other way round your brother wants to have sex with her and doesn't want to pay her anything? pls apply some logic to this], if he so wishes. However, her forfeiting of the dowry applies only your brother , and not to the other believers [Of course]. We have already decreed their rights in regard to their spouses or what they already have. This is to spare you any embarrassment . GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.[The relevance?]
Suppose the contemporaries of your brother, have him sleeping with a pre-pubescent nine year old girl still playing with her dolls, fondling and rubbing his member against her thigh for 3 years before he violated her womb, would you say your brother was an al insan al kamil the perfect human being for all time?
Suppose the contempories of your brother had recordings of your brother alledgedly under the influence of allah via jibreel to say that his followers must fight until his religion is superior and embarassed/moderate followers a millenia later claim it really means self defense, but which self defense means submitting the other side until they pay the jizya in willing submission? this is self defense?
See Sardab the reason why you refuse to discuss any of this issues is because you know it's the truth and it is sickening to try to defend someone when his scriptures condemn him.
This is the dilemma for people like you Sardab:
Do you believe Mohammed slept with a 9 year old girl? Y/N?
Do you believe sleeping with a pre-pubescent little girl still playing with her dolls is what a paedophile does? Y/N?
Do you believe Mohammed took his son's wife? Y/N?
Do you believe that incest is taking your son's wife? Y/N?
Do you believe Mohammed practiced self defense by submitting the other side to the point of humuliation? Y/N?
Do you know that self defense does not include humuliation and jizya tax? Y/N?
Do you believe Mohammed killed the men that refused to submit to him? Y/N?
Do you believe Mohammed slept with the wives of those men affter killing them? Y/N?
Do you believe sleeping with someone after killing their father, uncle husband and entire family on the same day without letting her mourn is rape? Y/N?
Do you believe violent criminals, rapists, crooks, paedophiles, perverts do the above? Y/N?
if your answer is Y to any of the above and you are still a muslim, congratulations you are a good muslim/muslimah practicing al-taqiya alhamduillah, isn't allah great?
As for the back and forth rule of Jerusalem between the religions I have no objection to this and the cause for it in the eyes of both sides there are these words of G-d :...
Do not insult the intelligence of all humanity to believe someone frothing at the mouth in an epileptic fit without a prophecy to his name, on a text still being proof read right up to the 10th century is speaking on behalf of God.
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