Christian/Muslim ThreadsObservations on Christianity :: Re: Observations on ChristianityThese are some of my observations on muslims and islam... Islam has no appealing messages and clearly has no backbone, you have a paedophile who fondled and violated the womb of a pre-pubescent little girl still playing with her dolls, in any sane country on earth this individual would be put in jail and punished, no questions asked but for some strange reason this paedophile, rapist, thief, pirate, war-monger, sexual lecher is somehow to be emulated and is the best example for mankind whose behaviour transcends all time for all eternity!!!, if anybody happens to voice their disapproval that this madman of a 'prophet' without a prophecy to his name is nowhere near a prophet but a misogynist megalomaniac sexual beast of a man, that poor individual is hounded and or killed by the real muslims not the apologetic western tolerant minded muslims the ignorant masses and the media have to deal with. In a stranger way you have crystal clear messages in your koran and ahadith to kill and slay the pagans whereever you find them, to lie in wait for them in all strategem of war, terrorise them frighten them yet do you practice this? why not? do you realise not doing this automatically disqualifies you as a muslim? the koran and ahadith are very clear that people who don't go out and fight in the cause of islam are going to hell, why are you not doing as the koran says? do you realise this is immoral behaviour? has the kafir west given you more morality than in the entire dar-al-islam? why are you not emulating your hero whose behaviour transcends all time for all eternity? why is it the majority of the muslim ummah look to the likes of Osama with pride, yet the westernised muslims who represent less than 5% of the entire muslim ummah claim islam is peace yet in it's very text it states that this is a simple religion a child can understand, can a child not understand when it says "do not make friends with christians and jews" "they are fuel for hell" "lie in wait for the pagans... slay them" is not the text of the koran present before the foundation of the world according to islam? how then can these verses be taken out of context when the religion states there is no context and has no chronological order???How can you apply context to a text that is claimed existed before the creation of the earth? what insanity is this? It is you my dear friend that has these messages in their mouth but not in their hearts, I recall a hadith that says the muslims that talk well but the words are not in their hearts; should be killed by other muslims, and islam is notorious for it's incessant in fighting, eliminate all jews in the middle east, egypt, iran, Iraq, afghanistan and the entire middle east will still fight amongst each other, islam and peace are complete oxymorons. You do not understand christianity, save the sufi hindu plagiarised pseudo nonsense for the members of your legalised brain washed cult. Nobody has to tell a child how to steal or how to fight yet we do all these things because it is in our nature, and deep down we know this behaviour is wrong, our God given knowledge of right and wrong tells us this is wrong. Does islam give you a reason why we sin? the closest I have seen is it simply states you are born innocent, yet why do we fight without being taught how? why do we steal without being taught how? where is this behaviour stemming from? In retrospect we know this is wrong and bad but yet why do we do it? does your religion give you an answer? do you not see your analogy makes God responsible or enduing us with our sin nature? that we through no fault of our own were given this natural desire to fight to steal to kill... do you really believe that a God who has no darkness in Him whatsoever would endow us with evil?
Not quite... Are you really trying to say striving to "love your neighbor as yourself" is such a crime? If this is the muslim mentality may God help us all. The strive for the impossible is what makes people better, it is what makes this world better, it is what makes people progress, we as christians know we can never be perfect, the goal is to be like Christ, it keeps us on our toes, yet islam is the complete opposite there is no progress, islam can only progress through scavenge and conquer, since islam has not conquered any lands since the middle ages it has not progressed, it is stagnant, the only progress it made was to absorb the technology and knowledge of the lands it conquered, this is the reason why you cannot find an islamic success story, the religion forbids it, this is why the majority of muslims all want to emigrate to the west with it's decadence, coca cola and Mcdonalds, the only islamic success story was obtained from the carcasses of dinosaurs, something they never worked for which just happened to be there, take away that oil and many of the arab league nations will be no better than the majority of third world countries, there is no seperation of church and state, islam and democracy cannot mix, it is an oxymoron, the religion is the system and the system is corrupt, the emperor has no clothes, it was only until the 20th century that education was encouraged in that epitome of islam paradise that is Saudi Arabia. Pls explain in clear unambiguous terms what you are trying to say? are you trying to say christianity should encourage fighting? is this what you are trying to say?
Maybe you should brush up on your history of Rome and christianity, the greatest empire this world had ever seen fell into the hands of christianity without a weapon being drawn, that my dear friend is what happens when you pray for those that persecute you and show them what "love your neighbor as yourself." really is, it superceeds any counterfeit your religion has to offer which are threats and killings to convert, and threats and killings to stay in islam, this is hell on earth.
None of these atrocities are backed by scripture, we have the scriptures to know in any language that none of these atrocities are in any way backed by scripture, christianity takes responsibility for it's crimes, islam on the other hand will blame anybody for it's crimes be it the jews, america, coca cola, anybody but itself, it is unwilling to examine itself because the religion forbids it, thousands of sects can crop up preaching the mass murder of innocents, sawing off the hands and limbs of innocents even other muslims with plenty of justification for these heinous acts in the koran and ahadith, yet in the midst of this insanity the muslims (even in the west) will blame anybody but islam for the madness they instill, I am yet to see a westernised muslim take on any fundamentalist in a debate, simple they cannot, they know they do not have a leg to stand on and that these fundamentalists are more true to the religion than they are, a muslim once said "behind closed days there are no moderate muslims" people like H2O ready to backstab his own country in a heartbeat are a testament to the veracity of this statement, I have met several westernised muslims, who will tell you islam is peace yet will never condemn a suicide bomber that what he is doing is wrong, they will always ask "but why is he doing it...maybe the jews provoked him" deep down I believe these so called moderate muslims look up in pride at these fundamentalists, because afterall in order for a muslim to be recognised as a scholar or for his opinion to carry any weight, guess which places he has to go to earn that right? yes the very heartlands of fundamental islam. I suggest you read up on the history of christianity and Rome, pagan rome died because of christianity. The laws in the west are based on christian morals, the leaders of these countries are not necessarily christians, the country may be 90% christian but may have a satan worshipper at the helm, there is a separation between church and state and since you are a muslim maybe this concept is a little too hard to consider, the early philosophers, scientists were to a large extent CHRISTIANS, as I said christianity takes responsibility for it's crimes, the west within a strong christian society practiced slavery and it was christians that abolished it, can you say the same for islam, which success story can you name? nobody can build a church in Saudi Arabia and proselytising puts you in serious danger with the authorities yet, these muslims are free to build mosques in the west, do you not see this as an uneven playing field?
Had a chance at what? Lost what? the most successful nations on earth are secular societies practicing christian values. You are one to talk of paganism, all scholars agree that every rite of islam was practiced by the pagan arabs, from the circumventing, to the kissing of the black stone,and the cutting of hair after the hajj, you are a pagan, your religion is derived rom paganism, yet you have the nerve to call christians pagans.
It seems the various faces of islam are present in this forum, we have sardab trying to cover blatant immoral acts in the koran and ahadith with non sequitur sufi catch phrases, he might as well be saying "allah knows best" even though he knows the acts of Mohammed are despicable and not to be emulated but yet he will not consider why he needs to respect and send blessings to a paedophile who fondled and violated the womb of a pre-pubescent little girl still playing with her dolls destroying any chance of her ever having children, who raped a jewish woman after decapitating their husband's head, killing her father, her uncle, several relatives all on the same day. On the other hand we have relaxjack who admits he hardly knows his own religion, much less defend it, claiming ISLAM IS TRUTH YOU CANT DENY with a mountain of evidence shown to him on the contrary but yet he is unable to take out his fingers from his ears and use his objective reasoning, or H2O who indirectly claims the chroniclers of islam's history Bukhari, Muslim, Tabari, Ibn Kathir were all idiots and only he has the onus and interpretation of the koran 1400 yrs after the alledge event, all who have translated the koran according to him made terrible translation errors but somehow he never makes a single error as he tries to re-interpret, and re-translate the koran using an english theasaurus to get the koran and islam out of contradictions you show him , that he is also the greatest koranic re-translator, hadith rejecter this side of the atlantic, and ofcourse he is without error (do you know he once claimed sura 4:34 where it says beat your wives really means men beating other men?? when it was shown to him it also says "admonish them from your couches" and the implication that the men might as well be homosexuals he quickly abandoned the thread). The only facet of islam missing it seems are the ones that want to slit your throat for confronting their religion. |
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