Endurance wrote:Hisway,
I think I get it now. Their god is three persons. I think they just have a different God than we have. Let's examine some of the arguments made.
Omega wrote: "The Passage clearly states that the Word was "WITH"{pros} God and the Word "Jesus the Son" was God.
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Son is Deity and So is the Father
So to say that all three of them were made flesh is absurd, why?
Because that passage in Scripture states that "THE WORD" which was "WITH" God was made flesh. The Son who also holds the title of Deity(GOD) which is the Word that was "WITH"{pros}God was made flesh. "
From his words, we can see that the word was with God, but he feels that the word was not that God it was with, with that being said, he can no longer be considered monotheistic. For he believes another god was with God. You see, we all agree that God was made flesh. But they think it was a different god (the Word) who was with God (the Father).
You see, the way we believe John 1:1 could also be stated:
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Son (word), and the Son(word) was with the Father,(God) and the Son was Father (God).
You see, according to our belief, nothing in the scripture changes if we exchange word for Son, which it speaks about but let's look at their belief. It is clear that we only believe in One God.
But according to them it would be
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Son (Word), and the Son (Word) was with Father (God), and the Son was not the Father (God).
Yet, in order for their belief to work, it has to be changed in a number of ways. You would have to take out God completely, or it is polytheistic.
Aineo wrote: "Since God is spirit then why is the Holy Spirit and not God moving over the surface of the waters? Since there is one God why is it the Holy Spirit who gives gifts to men and not Jesus or God the Father? If Jesus is God’s name then why don’t the NT writers simply use Jesus in every Scripture where they use God, Father, Son, or Holy Spirit?"
See how confused they become when they are challenged. In reference to Gen 1:1-3. Aineo asks why is the Holy Spirit moving and not GOd?
I thought he said the Holy SPirit is God. You see this madness. Now, the Holy SPirit is not God. Okay what else do we have here.
WHy is it the Holy SPirit that gives gifts and not Jesus or God? Wow, so he doesn't think the gifts of the spirit are God's gift. I'm really scared for Aineo with that kind of doctrine. If he thinks they are God's gift, then he should know that the Father and The Son gave them as well, unless they are different gods than the one who gives gifts to men. what else do we have.
If Jesus is the name of God, then why don't they just use it? That is like asking me, why does Hisway (just using your name for the example) take his dog out to use the bathroom and then feds him. I'm not God to tell you why people did what they did. It must have been His will for it to be written this way. SO that only His sheep could hear him. Maybe the secret things are only for those who bear fruit. Maybe it is written the way it is so that the prideful, impatient, and those with a hardened heart could not understand.
Omega wrote: "The only contribution both you and snipe have made on this forum is your ability to worm your way out of irreftuable arguments and answer questions with questions and harrass and attack the character of others."
How do they claim to make irrefuteable arguments, when they don't know the difference b/w scripture that talks about the body of Christ from those that speak of GOd. They say we ignore all the scripture they post. It is not that anyone ignores the scripture, it is that you don't understand it. They always qoute me and my Father are one. ANd the body has many members, they being many members are one body.
It really kills their credibility. The latter verse from 1 Cor. 12, is talking about the church. Yet they use verses about the church to try and prove that their three gods are our God. And the first scripture is talking about God, bless His name that they got it right with this one. But they still just don't get it. Him and his father was one in unity as he was here of Earth yes, I'll give them that. But He came from the father and returned to Him. Not that he was a different individual, but He was in (a part of) Him.
Hisway, it seems that their is no way to show these guys the truth. They even destroy their own doctrine with their own arguments and call them irrefutable, lol... What madness is this friend? I don't get it. I guess their gods and our God are not the same though we follow the same Book. Their prayers are going to three beings, while we pray to One.
With Love,
Snipe
Feel free to put all your lies in my mouth, my words do not demonstrate that since the Word was with God that it is not God, and it seems that there is no way to show both you and hisway the Truth because both you and hisway have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that both of you have leaned on the interpretations of man instead of relying on Holy Scriptures ALONE! To make that I do not understand scriptures when I have presented ULTRA CRYSTAL CLEAR evidence of A God who is Triune in Nature. I have CLEARLY proven that the Son is Deity and is Distinct from the Father AND is CO-EQUAL, which is why the Word "WITH" is used in conjunction with the Word "GOD".
Who is the One who is Truly SPIRITUALLY BLIND? Take a look at hisways interpretation, that Jesus existed as Gods mind and thought? That is not only not found in scripture but is both Gnostic and heretical, heretical meaning to "choose ones ideas" BOTH of you have done so and have ignored scriptures, and yet you accuse us of doing so?
My, my, if there has been anyone more blinded to the truth and so far beyond the point of softening their hearts to Sound Biblical Doctrine and Holy Scriptures, it is you and I say this with Concern and Love.
Both the Father and the Son have their abode within me, and since I have kept His words and His commandments of Christ, both the Father AND the Son reside in me, and I feel the awesome presence of their abode each day. So speak what you must, but one day in the hereafter you will open your eyes then will you see the Truth, I PROMISE!
If not now, then at that day.
God Bless!