ArchivedPA officials guilty of blatant violation of First AmendmentAhh, but that's only if you BELIEVE that it is a "lifestyle". It's not. It's an inherent part of their nature. You think it's reasonable for them to deny it and pretend that if they don't "do it", then they aren't really gay. Sorry, but you're living in a dream world. Whether you like it or not, you are hating a major facet of that PERSON because they are gay. The silly "only if they act it out" argument is tiresome. He's being general. He's saying you and other Christians don't have the RIGHT to force society to bend laws to suit your religion. I totally agree. The only proof here is that you don't understand the meaning of the word. Wrong. This is exactly what is wrong with people who can't look past the idea of "believing" as being a part of every opinion. Trust is more of a confidence in something based on a good reaon such as a person who has always been kind is trusted to be kind in the future. Faith is belief in what you cannot prove. I'm going to list some parts of an essay I posted before on another thread: http://www.jesus-christ-forums.com/home/viewtopic.php?t=6047 It would be a good idea for you to read it in it's entirety, but for the purposes of this thread: "For many people in this society, science is taught to them in the form of religion: as a set of laws laid down by authorities, known to be true because scientists have superior intelligence and knowledge. It would be an enormous understatement to say that this is unwise, and it's not surprising that in this context, some people try to merge science with religion. Since they were taught science as if it's a religion, then why shouldn't they treat it as if it's religion? Small wonder, then, that some people refer to science as a cold, soulless religion; they judge it as a religion, and of course, it comes up wanting." so..... "What makes Science so Great? Philosophy is an interesting subject (the best debates always took place in philosophy class). However, philosophers can exhibit a tendency to haughtily dismiss practicality in favour of absolutes. A common philosophical rebuttal of science (particular evolutionary science, which faces powerful religious opponents) is that it lacks certainty. It is not proven. There is no guarantee of its truth or falsehood. And guess what: surprise! It's all true. So why is science great, if it's not certain or proven or guaranteed true? The short answer is that these criticisms are meaningless, because nothing outside the existence of your own thoughts is certain, proven, or guaranteed true. If you wish to use absolute proof, certainty, or guarantees of truth as your litmus test for validity, then you have just subscribed to solipsism: the belief that nothing can be reliably known besides the existence of your own thought. Why? Because nothing can be absolutely proven beyond "I think therefore I am". Nothing is absolutely certain beyond "I think therefore I am". Nothing can be guaranteed true beyond "I think therefore I am". For all you know, nothing exists beyond your own mind, and the entire universe is but a figment of your imagination. "But that's absurd," you might object, and you would be right. Solipsism strikes virtually any reasonable observer as patently absurd. For most people, solipsism smacks of philosophy gone awry, or perhaps a perverse desire to denigrate every other field of study by declaring all of them to be uncertain supposition in one fell swoop. The salty description of solipsism is "useless smart-assed philosophical bullshit", and to be quite frank, that's a fairly reasonable description. But since solipsism is the inevitable outcome of the demand for absolute proof, certainty, or guarantees, one cannot demand such things without inadvertently sliding into solipsism! This is not a slippery slope; solipsism is the direct result of the decision to accept only that which is absolutely certain, proven, or guaranteed true. So if we must abandon absolute certainty, proof, and guarantees of truth, what do we have left? The answer is simple practicality: the driving force behind engineering and science. Perhaps sensory observation is not real. However, it is the only information which we have at our disposal, so we might as well use it. Is it real? Is it all a grand illusion? Who cares? The point is that it seems to be quite consistent, ie- the universe described by our sensory observations seems to follow consistent rules. We want to know what those rules are, so we need to employ a systematic, logical method, ie- the scientific method. And for any given phenomenon, we must generate a theory to explain the rules which govern it. Science is great because it accepts that we cannot have absolute knowledge of truth, so it discards the hopeless quest for absolute truth and it seeks the next best thing: the most accurate possible descriptive model of the observable universe. It discards the useless question of whether the observable universe is real, and seeks only to describe that universe as accurately as possible, with no regard for whether it is real or not." Do you understand? You don't NEED faith in science, because anybody can review the data, do the same experiements, and come up with the same conclusions. This what you call *drumroll* OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE. You put faith in to something that can NEVER be verified simply by the Bible itself. Nobody's asking you to change. I don't have anything against people believing in their religion. What I DO have a problem with is the ones who are out there constantly standing in the way against human rights just because of their beliefs. They cannot back up their beliefs as reasonable, yet they expect other people to be subject to them by influencing the law? It's deplorable. Religion has absolutely no place in civil or criminal law. Period. THIS is why I consider it important to show Christians that the Bible is not even CLOSE to being inerrant, certainly not by scientific standards, and even by common sense in my opinion. Point being, since it is NOT, then anything it says can be wrong. INCLUDING homosexuality being "sinful". |
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