ArchivedCalling all Catholics!kesuramoni Wrote: Well many people are bought up into their religion and never give it a second thought. And on the other hand many people do question what they were brought up to believe, and then they ethier reject or accept there faith. I personally do know what transfiguration, scapulars etc.. are, And why we "pray" to Mary. kesuramoni Wrote: The reason Catholics believe that Mary was born free from original sin, is based on Tradition and scripture put together, we reject sola scripture as it is non biblical. Mary as the Mother of God the flesh had to be free from all sin including original sin, if she was to bring the most holy into the world. If you would like me to go deeper into this issue please tell me in your next post. "But there are also many other things that Jesus did; if every one of them were written down, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." - John 21:25 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations…and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you." - Matthew 28:19-20 In the Gospel of John it says, that there are many things that Jesus did that were not written down. Now, in Matthew's Gospel, he says that Jesus told His apostles to teach EVERYTHING that He taught them, not just certain doctrines that are "essential." Where do we go to get these doctrines? From Holy Tradition. "So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter." - 2 Thessalonians 2:15 by the way its not the Catholic religion, its the Catholic Church or denomination. By saying religion you are labeling Catholics as a entirely different faith, like Islam or Judaism. Catholicism is part of the Christian world, and makes up for over 1 billion followers worldwide. kesuramoni Wrote: First of all the Catholic Church put together the bible that you read at home or in your church. The Protestants reformers removed some books out of the bible, and interpretated the meanings of the Scripture however they wished. This Greek Septuagint version of the Old testament pre-dates Christ, and is the version quoted most frequently in the New Testament. The Septuagint was widely accepted by Christians up to the time of the Protestant Reformation. Luther rejected the books of Maccabees because they were not in the Hebrew canon established by Jews at Jamnia after the resurrection of Christ around 90 AD. Purgatory isn't mentioned in the bible thats correct, but neither is the word trinity or incarnation. Below is some Scripture that Catholics use to support Purgatory. Temporary agony, intermediate state of purification. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Expiation of sins while on earth, to avoid having to pay in purgatory. Matthew 5:25-26 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. Christ preached to the dead. These dead people weren't in hell, since if they were, they wouldn't be able to go to heaven after having been preached to (Luke 16:26). They weren't in heaven yet, since heaven isn't a "prison". So they must have been somewhere else besides heaven and hell (and also besides purgatory, but the following verses are just meant to show that the "places" one can go to after death do not solely consist of heaven or hell). 1 Peter 3:18-20 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1 Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. Does grace alone save? The Christian stands in grace (1 Pet. 5: 12), grow in (2 Pet. 3: 18, and is to be strong in grace (2 Tim. 2: 1). Grace (charis) is God's favor. We are called by grace (Gal. 1: 15), justified by grace (Tit. 3: 7), and we are established by grace (Heb. 13: 9). The Bible also says we are saved by grace (Eph. 2: 5, 8. However, are we saved by grace alone? If saved by grace alone, all would be saved. Beloved, Paul said God's grace "brings salvation", but he also affirmed God's grace "hath appeared to all men" (Tit. 2: 11). God has certainly done his job in universally extending grace. If it were just a matter of salvation by grace alone, all would be saved. However, only a few shall be saved (Matt. 7: 13-14). Hence, there is more involved than grace alone! Man must appropriate God's grace. It is true grace is a gift from God, man cannot earn it (cf. Rom. 11: 6, Eph. 2: 8-10). Some confuse earning and accepting. Man can and does receive God's grace in vain (2 Cor. 6: 1). Christians can also "fall from grace" (Gal. 5:4). In the wonderful text of Ephesians two, we have two elements, grace and faith, and two players, if you will: God and man. Paul wrote, "For by grace are ye saved through faith..." (vs. 8. Grace emanated from God, but faith is man's responsibility. We are commanded to believe in order to be saved (Acts 16: 30, 31-34). Belief, repentance, confession and baptism all precede initial salvation (cf. Acts 2: 38. Hence, these acts constitute man's accepting God's wonderful grace. No, grace alone does not save. Man seems determined to attach "alone" to grace, belief, and baptism. Man has participation in his salvation - from the beginning (accepting grace) to the end (continuing in grace, Acts 13: 43). Grace reigns through righteousness, man's humble obedience (Rom. 5:21). A scapular is a sacramental that looks like two small pieces of wool cloth connected by string that is worn over the neck, either under or over one's clothing, such that one piece of cloth hangs over the chest, and the second piece of cloth hangs over the back. Scapulars are not magic; their efficacy depends on the proper intentions and faith of the wearer; only by following through on the promises one makes when becoming invested can the benefits associated with them be had. They are signs of a commitment to do certain things and of one's being a part of a religious community. They act as reminders, too, of these things they signify and of the Saints who are parts of the religious community in question. They are reminders to behave with holiness. kesuramoni Wrote:
All Catholics accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour. Most of the Catholics I know have a personal relationship with the Christ. The Bible teaches there is only one true church, built by Christ and authorized by the Father. Jesus said, "Upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18. Notice the singular use of the word church; not churches (plural) but church (singular). Jesus could have easily said "churches," but obviously He intended to build only one. Paul wrote, "And hath put all over things under his feet and gave him to be head all things to the church which is His body, the fullness of Him that filleth all in all" (Eph. 1:22-23). The church of which he speaks is the body of Christ and the body of Christ is the church of Christ. He affirms there is but one body (Eph. 4:4). One body is a description of the unity characteristic of those who are the members of the church or body. "There is one body" (Eph. 4:4), not two, three, or four; only one body "But now are they many members, yet but one body" (1 Cor.12:20). The word but means only. There is only one church; it is exclusively the Lord's. It is exclusive in that there are no others like it. It is the only one Jesus built and owns. I know the truth, the truth is that there is only one true Church and that is the Catholic Church. The case is far from closed. The church is more then spiritual its physical, thats why the bible gives us the organisation of the church etc... Can the church which you are a member prove that it is the one and only church the Lord built? :roll: Peace to You. |
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