Why we should all love each other

Discussion in 'Rejoicing and Praising Jesus Christ Forum!' started by God_is_great, Mar 19, 2004.

  1. God_is_great

    God_is_great New Member

    Coz we should.
    What are your views?
  2. God_is_great

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    I disagree. I think that we should all have some ammount of hate for one another. For example foolish american plebs who think they're better than everyone else.
  3. God_is_great

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    NO NO NO NO NO! e have to love each other! That's the only way we're gonna get Eden back. We have to love everyone! Including American plebs.
  4. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Love is beautiful...

    Love is a liking that god has given us, and isa passion of what life is all about. Love is what you make of it my friend and your making is where you need to start, you need to start being nice to people and understand how there feelings work to get along with them better, this would obviously include being very charismaistic and friendly in a known social incoming way. Also loving each other is not formally correct, as gays are evil my friend, as you can also love someone for who they are. Love is what you make of it, let god be with you my dearest friend... :D
  5. God_is_great

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    be quiet. Don't interfear with the conversation. It's nothing to do with you.
  6. God_is_great

    God_is_great New Member

    SHUT UP! I think he's got a very good point.
  7. God_is_great

    God_is_great New Member

    He might have a good point but nevertheless he is still interfering in a private interlusion of thought. Nosy git.
  8. God_is_great

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    You are still missing my point! e have to be open to everyone arround us to attain complete harmony with the world! And so come to paradise! Friend! You! Jamesparker! We welcome you with open arms!
  9. God_is_great

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    and a shovel. Go away you prat.
  10. God_is_great

    God_is_great New Member

    Honestly if you havn't got anything nice to say to our fello transgressor just be quiet.
  11. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    I appear to be misunderstanding what view you are actually trying to maim for my loving friend, it appears that you are repling to yourself also this may sound crazy, but let me also add something into this wonderful and most communicated conversation that we are having, love is a cycle which we should respect and to not take for grantide, also many people do, when you are choosing your trurly loved one, be careful thats the one you're going to want to love forever, love is a most exiting and powerful experience my dear friend.
    I am also very happy that you had changed your mind on what point i had made, even through listening to each other is a wonderful sign of full communication and happiness. Me being a highly loving proud to say christian as myself know how people can often change their minds in life...

    I'll be expecting an e-mail back my dear one...
  12. God_is_great

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    Stop talking about sex you pervert.
  13. God_is_great

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    He isn't talking about sex at all. You're just too shallow to see that. Although he must be pretty stupid to think that i'm talking to myself.
    Good for you brother James! You are a true believer! Unlike that cretinouse heretic who keeps interveining...
  14. God_is_great

    God_is_great New Member

    Huh. I'm tired of you to gays. I'm off to have a burger and sprite and pornographic vewage. Ta ta!
  15. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    You appear to be completely misunderstanding what i'm trying to aim for my god loved one, sex is a incoming gift to reproduce little eggs of life to our loving hands and for the happiness and reproducing of the world.
    I'm worried that you are not fully getting me correctly here also i'm quite sure to know that you are a very intelligent person as yourself could be. Yes i am a true believer in the Holy Spirit and the wonderful god and jesus, but i am in worry that you may need possibly urgent medical attention to help you through life, as you appear to be repling and sending to yourself my dear friend, but don't worry because i work for a hospital and own and have full responsible medical attention for you my friend...

    What a nice communitive world we live in, don't you reckon, we can just all get along with each other...
  16. God_is_great

    God_is_great New Member

    oh good he's orff. Let us continue our enlightenment.
  17. God_is_great

    God_is_great New Member

    I'm still here. I'm gonna give james a kick up his flappy old arse. Daft puff.
  18. Anonymous

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    Oh, no. I feel a sin of love telling me to share my dear happiness with a wonderful friend of mine that had recently died and i would feel more free to share my love of my loyal and most truw and understanding friend with you wonderful people, he was killed by an evil man, a murderer as one might call. I feel sad to say, but i felt a passionate heart telling me to share my life and problems with someone else so that they could also help me through them, my dear friend, i would like to know more...
  19. God_is_great

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    That's coz i killed him.
  20. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Why? what a dishonour to our culture that you have sent to us, this is not from god. Havn't you read the bible? It says that murder is a sin and is evil, how could you my holy one. Thats just sick minded my true believer... I don't feel fully confident thart i cope with this at my age as i am, you have insulted my believing of love and communicational substances that god has given to us, a full dishonour to me and my parents who were dear friends with this wonderful understanding and loving known character, how could you? Infact why? What? When?
    How could you do such a thing? I would feel more than considerant to read this about that i have given you below about murder:

    Under the Constitution of God the penalty for premeditated murder is capital punishment. At no time is provision made for a murderer to be imprisoned. The Law of Moses says, "Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death." (Numbers 35:31)

    Many people are under the false impression that because they have never killed anyone they will some day go to heaven. This is not true! The Bible teaches us that "All unrighteousness is sin:" (I John 5:17), and "the soul that sinneth, it shall die." (Ezekiel 18:4) You may have never committed murder, but if you have ever harbored hatred or resentment against anyone, you are as guilty as a murder in the eyes of God. The Bible says, "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer:" (I John 3:15.). People will go to hell because of a unforgiving spirit as surely as a murderer will. The Bible teaches us that all sins come from the heart. The Lord Jesus said, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:" (Matthew 1:19). It is no wonder the Bible says, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" (Jeremiah 17;9) Because we all have deceitful hearts, the Bible declares, "all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Romans 3:23).

    The Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross and paid the death penalty for all of us. He rose again that we might have hope of eternal life. If you repent of your sins and by faith accept the Lord Jesus Christ you will be forgiven. To all of us, whether we are murderers or not, the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is ready and willing to forgive.

    And that is also mainly why i feel out of bounds to now talk to you with understanding that you could never do such a terrible thing, surely?

    Here is some more, this has taken me a whole two hours to write for my dear and loving friend, i wan't you to understand what you have trurly done...

    1. Terms:

    mur'-der (haragh, "to smite," "destroy," "kill," "slay" (Ps 10:8; Ho 9:13 AV]), ratsach, "to dash to pieces," "kill," especially with premeditation (Nu 35:16 and frequently; 3Job 24:14; Ps 94:6; Jer 7:9; Ho 6:9); phoneus, "criminal homicide," from phoneuo, "to kill," "slay"; phonos, from pheno, has the same meaning; anthropoktonos, "manslayer," "murderer," is used to designate Satan (Joh 8:44) and him that hates his brother (1 Joh 3:15); a matricide is designated as metraloas (1Ti 1:9); compare adelphokionos, "fratricidal" (The Wisdom of Solomon 10:3). The plural of phonos, "murders," occurs in Mt 15:19; Mr 7:21; Ga 5:21 the King James Version; Re 9:21; compare 2 Macc 4:3,18; 12:6):

    2. The Hebrew Law:

    The Hebrew law recognized the distinction between willful murder and accidental or justifiable homicide (Nu 25:16); but in legal language no verbal distinction is made. Murder was always subject to capital punishment (Le 24:17; compare Ge 9:6). Even if the criminal sought the protection of the sanctuary, he was to be arrested before the altar, and to be punished (Ex 21:12,14; Le 24:17,21; Nu 35:16,18,21,31). The Mishna says that a mortal blow intended for another than the victim is punishable with death; but such a provision is not found in the Law. No special mention is made of

    (a) child murder;

    (b) parricide; or

    (c) taking life by poison;

    but the intention of the law is clear with reference to all these eases (Ex 21:15,17; 1Ti 1:9; Mt 15:4). No punishment is mentioned for attempted suicide (compare 1Sa 31:4 f; 1Ki 16:18; Mt 27:5); yet Josephus says (BJ, III, viii, 5) that suicide was held criminal by the Jews (see also Ex 21:23). An animal known to be vicious must be confined, and if it caused the death of anyone, the animal was destroyed and the owner held guilty of murder (Ex 21:29,31). The executioner, according to the terms of the Law, was the "revenger of blood"; but the guilt must be previously determined by the Levitical tribunal. Strong protection was given by the requirement that at least two witnesses must concur in any capital question (Nu 35:19-30; De 17:6-12; 19:12,17). Under the monarchy the duty of executing justice on a murderer seems to have been assumed to some extent by the sovereign, who also had power to grant pardon (2Sa 13:39; 14:7,11; 1Ki 2:34).

    And supposing that the act of murder is rampant in the Bible, especially to my dear friend Fredrick Harry Brown. In much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding night. In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty of examples of God's irrationality by his direct killing of many people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killing children who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport. There are also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including the murder of women, infants, and children.

    The following passages are a very small percentage of the total passages approving of murder in the Bible. They are divided here into three parts: 1) Capital Punishment Crimes, 2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons, 3) Murdering Children, and 4) Miscellaneous Murders. This list is long, but it barely scratches the surface of all the murders approved of in the Bible.

    And i want you to read this as well so that you fully know the terribly and most saddening crime that yoyu have committed:
    The Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) said a great deal about the death penalty. The Torah (the first 5 books of the Bible) required this punishment for many transgressions, both civil and religious. Death was usually by stoning, although one crime required that women be executed by being burned alive. Few executions were actually performed. The court procedures required overwhelming evidence of guilt before a person could be executed. For example, there had to be two eye-witnesses before the accused could be given the death penalty. There were also instances where God murdered individuals for various activities: Onan avoided getting his former sister-in-law pregnant by practicing birth control. Lot's wife looked back at her city when it was being destroyed, etc.

    The Christian Scriptures (New Testament) do not contain new codes of law which govern the death penalty. However, there were many references to capital punishment in the Bible and in non-canonical literature which indicate that the Hebrew Scripture's codes were still being applied during the time of Jesus.

    Two conflicting penalties for murder in the book of Genesis
    Both instances of murder refer to an era that preceded the 613 commands of the Mosaic law code.

    The first mention of the appropriate punishment for a murder is in Genesis 4:11-15.

    "And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;...a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him." (KJV)

    Adam and Eve's sons were Cain, a farmer, and Abel, a shepherd. Each brought the best that they had had produced as a sacrifice to God. God accepted Abel's sacrifice of meat but rejected Cain's grain offering. Cain's resultant disappointment turned to anger; he killed his brother. God cursed Cain for the murder and sent him to wander the earth. God also put a mark on Cain's body so that nobody who saw him would be motivated to kill him. If anyone killed Cain for the murder of his brother, that person would be very severely punished. Here, banishment and exile is the penalty for murder; capital punishment is specifically prohibited.

    The first mention of capital punishment as a penalty for murder is in Genesis 9:6:

    "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." (KJV)

    This passage regards the killing of a human as an offense against God because humans were made in the image of God, both male and female. Unlike the previous passage which required that the murderer be merely exiled, this verse required the murderer to be killed.

    Capital crimes, according to rest of the the Hebrew Scriptures
    The Biblical books Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy form the rest of the Pentateuch and contain the Mosaic Code - a set of civil and religious transgressions with their appropriate punishments. This set of 613 laws greatly expanded the range of crimes which were punishable by death.

    If sufficient proof were provided that a person had committed any of the crimes listed below, the state imposed the death penalty on the guilty person(s). They were either stoned to death, impaled on a stick or burned alive. Witnesses who testified at the trial would often participate in the killing.

    To their credit, the courts of ancient Israel required very high levels of proof of criminal behavior before they would order the death penalty.

    Religious Grounds:
    Some passages in the Hebrew Scriptures condemned people to death if they followed a different religious or spiritual path. Quoting from the King James Version of the Bible, Jehovah required the state to execute a person:

    for following another religion: Exodus 22:20 states: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. See also and Numbers 25:1-15.
    for a stranger entering the temple: Numbers 1:51 states (in part): ...when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death. See also Numbers 3:10, 18:7 and 17:13.
    for proselytizing: Deuteronomy 13:1-10 states that a person who tries to convince an Israelite to convert to another religion must be killed.
    for communicating with the dead: Leviticus 20:27 calls for the execution by stoning of all mediums and spiritists (aka spiritualists), both male and female.
    for black magic: Exodus 22:18 states: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. This is a mistranslation. The passage has nothing to do with Wicca or other forms of Neo-paganism, which are the only types of Witchcraft that are practiced today in North America in significant numbers . The original Hebrew word is translated "sorceress" in most other versions of the Bible. A more accurate phrase would be "women who engage in black magic, harming others by the use of spoken curses." Men are left off the hook.

    Sexual grounds:
    Other passages required people to be stoned to death or even burned alive for sexual activities:

    for adultery: Leviticus 20:10 states: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. This is repeated in Deuteronomy 22:22
    for incest: Leviticus 20:11 states: And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death... See also Leviticus 20, verses 12 and 14. Verse 17 prescribe excommunication for incest with one's sister or step-sister.
    for temple prostitution: Leviticus 20:13 states: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.... This verse is often incorrectly interpreted to refer generally to homosexual behavior. See also Deuteronomy 22:24. Both verses, in the original Hebrew, refer to homosexual prostitution in Pagan temples, which was a common religious practice in the tribes surrounding the Israelites.
    for bestiality: Leviticus 20:15 states: And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast.... See also Exodus 22:19.
    for sexual activity before marriage: Deuteronomy 22:13-21 concludes: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die...".. Note that this applied only to women who had been presented as virgin brides and could be proven to have engaged in intercourse before being engaged or married. There appears to have been no penalty for men who engaged in pre-marital sexual activity.
    for sexual activity with both a woman and her mother: Deuteronomy 20:14 requires that all three be burned alive.
    for being seduced if engaged: Deuteronomy 22:23-24 states: If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die. Note that this applied only to engaged women. Her fiancé could (in some cases) have sexual access to her, but no other man was permitted to engage in such activity as soon as she became engaged. There appears to have been no penalty for engaged men who seduced women.
    for rape of an engaged woman: Deuteronomy 22:25 states: But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. A man who raped a single woman who was not engaged would only have to marry her and give 50 shekels of silver to her father.
    for prostitution Leviticus 21:9 states: And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire. Executing someone by burning them alive appears to be reserved for a narrow range of criminal acts.

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    Other grounds:
    Some grounds for the death penalty involved activities that were not related to other religions or to sexual activities:

    (sometimes) for committing murder: Levitucus 24:17 requires that "he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death." Leviticus 24:21 repeats this requirement. See also Numbers 35:16 and Deuteronomy 17:6. The Hebrew word "ratsach" in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) and the Greek word "phoneuo" in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) are generally mistranslated into the English word "kill." They actually mean "to murder with premeditation."

    However, Exodus 21:20, states that if a slave-owner kills his male or female slave, he shall be merely "punished." The nature of the punishment is not specified. The murderer would presumably not receive the death penalty; if he were to be killed, then one would expect the text to say this directly. However, if the injured slave lives for a while after the beating before dying of the abuse, the owner is not punished at all.
    for kidnapping: Exodus 21:16 states: And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. This involves kidnapping for the purpose of selling him into slavery. See also Deuteronomy 24:7.
    for human sacrifice: Leviticus 20:2-5 states: Whosoever.... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death. To "give ones seed to Molech" means to ritually sacrifice one's child to a Pagan God.
    for cursing parents: Exodus 21:17 states: And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. See also Leviticus 20:9. The exact meaning of the key Hebrew word is ambiguous; it might mean, in English, to curse or blaspheme, or to degrade or shame.
    for abusing one's parents: Exodus 21:15 states: And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
    for careless handling of an animal: Exodus 21:29 states: But if the ox .....hath killed a man or a woman; the ox shall be stoned, and his owner also shall be put to death. If an animal has the habit of injuring others, and the owner does not kill it, then the both the owner and the ox may be put to death.
    for stubbornness and rebellion: Deuteronomy 21:18-21 states: If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother.....all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die..... Because of the ambiguities in some of the words used in the original text, the death penalty might not have been required in this case.
    for blasphemy: Leviticus 24:16 states: And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death. Blasphemy was defined as uttering the name of Jehovah while cursing.
    for working on Saturday: Exodus 35:2 states: ...but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. Numbers 15:32-36 described a man who was executed because he gathered wood on Saturday.
    for ignoring the decision of a priest or judge: Deuteronomy 17:12 states: And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die....
    for perjury: Deuteronomy 19:15-21 states in part (with reference to a murder trial) ....if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother.... That is, a perjurer would himself be killed.
    for accidentally killing a pregnant woman: Exodus 21:22-23 states: "If men strive [i.e. fight], and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." If two men are fighting and accidentally hurt a pregnant woman so that she has a miscarriage, then: if the woman fully recovers, then the man responsible will have to pay a fine to the woman's husband.
    if the woman dies, then the man would be killed also.
    if some other harm comes to the woman, (e.g. loss of an eye or tooth) then that would be inflicted upon the man as well.

    Some Bible translations, supported by conservative Christian denominations, translate miscarriage as "premature birth." And they interpret verse 23 to include death of the newborn. However, this translation is rare.

    Still more grounds for execution:
    A male who was not circumcised: Genesis 17:14
    Eating leavened bread during the Feast of Unleavened Bread: Exodus 12:15
    Manufacturing anointing oil: Exodus 30:33
    Engaging in ritual animal sacrifices other than at the temple: Leviticus 17:1-9
    Consuming blood: Leviticus 17:10
    Eating peace offerings while ritually unclean: Leviticus 7:20
    Waiting too long before consuming sacrifices: Leviticus 19:5-8
    Sexual activity with a woman who is menstruating: Leviticus 20:18
    Going to the temple in an unclean state: Numbers 19:13
    Persons teaching another religion: Deuteronomy 13:1-11
    A prophet whose prophecy does not come true: Deuteronomy 18:22
    Gluttony and excessive drinking: Deuteronomy 21:20

    Activities for which God Imposed the Death Penalty Directly
    God killed individuals because they engaged in various transgressions:

    for wickedness In Genesis 6, God was disappointed at the wickedness and evil acts of humanity. He sent the flood in Genesis 7:6 which killed every man, woman, child, infant, new-born and animal, except for those who were in Noah's ark. This is as close as humanity has come to a complete genocide. The exact nature of the wickedness is not defined. God also killed Er in Genesis 38:8 for some unknown form of wickedness.
    for being abusive to strangers In Genesis 18:20, God had heard that the people of Sodom were wicked and evil. He sent some angels there, who confirmed the stories. In Genesis 19:24, God demolished Sodom and all of its men, women, children, infants, new-born, plants and animals, except for Lot's family. The crime of the people of Sodom has been interpreted by some to be homosexual rape, and by others to be any form of homosexual behavior. But it was clearly lack of hospitality to strangers, as seen in Jesus' comments in Matthew 10:14-15 and Luke 10:7. This is confirmed in Ezekeiel 16:48-50.
    for being excessively curious: In Genesis 19:17, the angels told Lot to: ....Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain.... Lot's wife looked back. God killed her and turned her into a pillar of salt.
    for practicing birth control: Onan was required by Jewish law and tradition to marry his brother's widow and have a male child who would be considered the brother's heir. This is called levirate marriage. He didn't want to do this, and so practiced an elementary form of birth control (coitus interruptus). God killed him. This was first interpreted by the Church as punishment for a sexual sin: avoiding pregnancy through the use of a birth control technique. Later, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, the Church said it was masturbation. "Onanism" became a synonym for auto-eroticism. Recent Biblical scholars interpret his crime as refusal to follow Jewish custom and provide an heir.
    for lying about Church donations: Acts 5:1 to 11 describe how a couple, Ananias and Sapphira sold an piece of real estate. They gave part of the money to the apostles, claiming it was the full proceeds from the sale. Peter interpreted their act as lying to the Holy Ghost. God killed Ananias on the spot. Three hours later, Sapphira repeated the lie to Peter. He cursed her and God killed her immediately. Members of the church were understandably terrified.

    Capital crimes according to the Christian Scriptures
    The Christian Scriptures (New Testament) do not contain codes of law which govern the death penalty. However there were many references to capital punishment which indicate that the Hebrew Scripture's codes were still being applied during the 1st century CE:

    Mark 14:62: Jesus was accused of blasphemy. The high priest asked Jesus Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?. Jesus replied I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Matthew 26:64 and Luke 22:70 contradict Mark's account; they record Jesus as sidestepping the question. However, Christ was still found guilty of blasphemy.
    John 8:3 - 8:11: This famous passage describes an adulteress who was scheduled for stoning. Jesus told her executioners He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. These verses have often been quoted to indicate Jesus' opposition to the death penalty. However, this passage is apparently a Christian forgery; it is not present in the oldest manuscripts of the Gospel of John, but was added later by unknown person(s). Besides, Jesus does not challenge the right of the accusers to kill her according to the Mosaic law.
    Acts 6:8 - 7:60 Stephen, a Christian, was found guilty of blasphemy and stoned to death.
    Romans 13:1-5 Paul instructs Christians to submit themselves to the authority of the state, because "The authorities that exist have been established by God." Referring to the authorities, Paul writes in Verse 4: "For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer." The reference to "sword" might be interpreted literally (to refer to capital punishment) or symbolically (to refer to the power of the state to punish wrongdoers).
    If verse 3 is interpreted literally, the passage is clearly mistaken. Paul writes: "For rulers hold no terror for those who do right..." The historical record shows that an individuals' main enemy has traditionally been their own federal government. Consider various religiously based exterminations in recent decades, such as:

    the Nazi holocaust, which largely targeted Jews and Gypsies
    Bosnian religious cleansing, generally referred to as "ethnic cleansing." This was mainly perpetrated by Christian followers of the Serbian Orthodox church with Muslims and Roman Catholics as victims.
    Serious oppression and extermination of Muslims in Kosovo by the former Serbian rulers --followers of the Serbian Orthodox church.
    the murder of about 24% of the Christian population of East Timor by the Muslim Indonesian army.

    These atrocities were ordered by governments on their helpless, innocent and law abiding citizens. There are many other such religiously-based conflicts currently active in the world.

    WDJS (What did Jesus say) about execution?
    Matthew 5:21-22: Jesus is recorded as saying: "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment..." This passage discusses one person murdering -- and even being angry with -- another person. It does not appear to impact on the state execution of a convicted criminal. Presumably, Jesus approved of state executions, because he upheld the validity of the Mosaic law: not even one minor point was to be ignored. For example, he is recorded as having said in: Matthew 5:18-19: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
    Luke 16:17: "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."

    Matthew 5:38-39: "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." This might be interpreted as denying the right of the state to punish murder with execution. However, it seems to apply to the relationship between two people, rather than between the state and a convicted criminal.

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