Christian/Muslim ThreadsWho is Peace2God’sPeople?all of them see, you are unable to see that the bible teaches a personal relationship with God... millions of christians all over the world are restraining their fists in anger... preventing conflicts wheter that be in oppressing governments, pestering at work or simple car accident... turning the other cheek applies to all situations not juste one (the state). all true indeed their is no reward for that... yet you believe a religion that gives a reward for killing and slaying in the name of God in order to reach heaven is truthfull... very anti-CHRISTian "Let those fight in the cause of God who barter the life of this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God's path, whether he is killed or triumps, we will give him a handsome reward." [4] and those who don't are condemned to hell It also says “Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.” If you see two kids trying to kill each other... and you have the power to end, come between them and solve that... you see it happening, but you just stand their and look? do you think that such is noble? when you have the power to end a conflict but don't because you are indifferent of evil. see just like what the UN does with Peacekeepers... so must christians be as well in their daily lives wheter that be in family issues, at work or in geopolitics that all differs from the power that you have. and their are no christian nations anymore you are comparing apples with oranges... These are the eight principles according to Saint Augustine (early church father) for a just war: (1) a punitive conception of war, (2) assessment of the evil of war in terms of the moral evil of attitudes and desires, (3) a search for authorization for the use of violence, (4) a dualistic epistemology which gives priority to spiritual goods, (5) interpretation of evangelical norms in terms of inner attitudes, (6) passive attitude to authority and social change, (7) use of Biblical texts to legitimate participation in war, and ( 8 ) an analogical conception of peace. It does not include noncombatant immunity or conscientious objection. A contemporary assessment of the elements is offered. These are the three principles according to Saint Thomas Aquinas (catholic head theologian): “In order for a war to be just, three things are necessary. (1) the authority of the sovereign.... (2) a just cause.... (3) ... a rightful intention” these are all noble demands for peace, not for conquering, persecuting and global dominance as islam sets out his rules. See the US is not the embodyment of a christianity... KNOW that other countries then the US excist too... and christianity is a GLOBAL religion. and many christian nations opposed the war remember, even the very pope condemned the war. And many christians agreed as well? why... because this war was disputable... it's secular politics, geopolitics to be exact. Since i don't know if it was christian to let a dictator fight his own war with his people... (and many other dictators as well for that matter). And when a country wich has the power to end this war of that dictator decides to end his rule it's disputable to me if giving peace to a country wich was at war with itself was so evil... of course noone knew this war was gonna be so hard in advance. Anyhow you condemn secular politics for making war's who have as goal peace... yet you support wars for global dominance on the other hand. Looks like you have two different standards for everything, speaking with a splitteth tongue. "When We decide to destroy a population, We (first) send a definite order to those among them who are given the good things of this life and yet transgress; so that the word is proved true against them: then (it is) We destroy them utterly." [17] but that is what happening in islam, communist and other dictator countries... christians are turning the other cheek still, can you not see? or do you only see the glory of the palestine seventeen year old polishing his kalishnikov praying to allah that he gets the chance to kill as many jews as possible with it... or are you at peace by judging secular geo politics wars as christian?... and i guess you hated the Kosovo war as well... maybe you'd rather had the massive genocide to be even bigger, would that have been christian? http://members.allstream.net/~komiko/persecution.html your prejuice sounds like you take it personal for some reason, i don't why you are so bittered. But i assure you that the message is alive and well from my experiences. i don't know Amish that's only some christian group in the US if i'm not mistaken who is very conservative and has some Old Testament customs still in use... i always thought they were christians, but who take it too literally... anyway i can't comment on them since i don't know if what they teach is christian.... what i do know from the Yehova Witnessess is that have teachings that abrogate the bible in so much that salvation becomes unatainable. I think it's great they teach to turn the other cheek, but that doesn't make their other teachings truthfull does it, merely mixing the truth with the lies, like islam did. i can only give my personal opinion about that, wich may differ from one christian to another to my knowledge they shun the world because it has grown decadent in their opinion too them they think it is neccerary... i think in my opinion that this is running away from the world, and a christian must take up his struggles. not run from them. if i lived in 43-45 and the germans were invading Belgium, would i have fought or would i have try and protected my family, trying to flee to savety too Brittain. Well that depends you know, a christian must abide the rules of the country as well... and just like when Jesus spoke to Pilate that they who handed him over are more responsible for his death then he who commanded it. In that way, if Belgium (in wartime) drafted me to fight for our safety. The drafting will be not of my choice. What would make me unchristian if i acctually wanted to fight and kill people, then i would be more responsible for my actions then if i didn't. If the drafting wasn't their i would non-violently protect my family even if i had to get martyred over it for their protection. what reasoning, then i ask you: would you allow foreign genocides, or won't? |
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