oh heresy, heresy, heresy
Peace2God's People
first...
Jesus didn't come to tell a jolly good philosophy to mankind... we allready had Plato and Aristotles who brought us that. Jesus came for the remission of sin, the lamb to the slaughter, the defeat of the devil... the given salvation and the confirmation of the promise... the good news!
You are willing to believe that the teachings are of the highest order, you believe them to be true, but you don't believe that his diety in the NT is true... so you have selective treatment on how you read the bible, your a gnostic... and picking stuff from the bible wich you like says more about you then about the bible
Islam is no more divine then the Nazi's were... who did exactly the same.... exterminate and persecute a ethic group (nazis => jews, gypsies, slavic people ---- Muslims => jews, christians, zoroastrians, buddhists and hindu's) because we are superior (nazis => ubermenschen --- muslims => are the only people who's actions and words are correct according to muhammed, including killing and persecuting)...
If you think Islam is divine then so are the nazis for establishing a state of dictatorship... the only thing you like more about muslims is that unlike hitler muhammed proclaimed himself prophet, and unlinke hitler muhammed made a religion out of his fascist regime...
If Islam is divine then God is a fascist.
It seems to me that God gave Jesus this message for mankind.
Jesus IS the message for mankind, Jesus IS The Word our Lord, Brother and Father.
Overcome evil by the aggressive use of love. Jesus was so intent on his teachings concerning the "Kingdom of God" that he was telling people to abandon their parents and sell all their possessions to follow him and spread his teachings.
He still is, and people still do... maybe you have grown so decadent that you have taken christianity for granted... but people like Joseph De Veuster en Mother Theresa died giving their life to others... these may be famous but these are not loners... missionaries all over the world are giving their life and abanded theirs in giving it fully to God's will.
Do good to those who persecute you and, in every good deed or holy dedication, make sure that they are done as anonymously as possible and in private (yes, I paraphrased).
indeed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand does.
It might have worked, who knows. It seemed to be working for a few hundred years. Many Christians refused to fight for Rome and were willing to die before bowing to the Emperor. In many cases, they also really seemed to love and take care of each other. So the Romans got smart and with the help of the priesthood corrupted it into a religion that served both of them.
Many christians are still dieing in muslim coutntries for just like the romans forced them to convert to pagans... the christians refuse to convert to islam and die in the process... merely because Christ has conquered all the pagan nations allready doesn't mean that christianity died with it.
The priesthood and the government both wanted their "cut" and as long as the priests could turn Christians into tenth giving church goers who would spread the gospel of church attendance and as long as the government could have Christians pay their taxes and be willing to fight, kill, maim and destroy in the name of the state, both would be happy.
yeah, politics, nothing more rotten then that... you think muslims don't stab each other in the back when it concerns money? to quote Voltaire
"when it involves money, everyone is of the same religion"... it's disgusting but true for the general majority of the world. Give someone power and it will most likely corrupt you.
Perhaps once God saw that man had successfully corrupted the teachings of Jesus in such a way that it was unlikely anyone would ever hear Jesus true, uncorrupted teachings again, he decided to give Muhammad a message that called for mankind's submission. This time, God was unwilling to send another message of pure, unconditional love. No, this time God was ready to tell mankind that "I am going to establish my authority and I will be praised if I have to command it".
Yeah, God in his free time looked down on earth "oh dang, shouldn't have done that trick with replacing Jesus with a look a like", "i'm so impotent, why do i even bother, now i can start all over again, tss tss"
and for all you know with that reasoning why didn't God gave the message to the Prophet Manes? or the Prophet Joseph Smith? cause both claimed that the bible is corrupted and that they are the next best thing and the last and true prophet... why muhammed above these two? please tell me
and maybe God said again, "oh no, not again, i can't work with these humans... i'm gonna send baha'lullah to explain everything all over, tss tss, i'm so impotent, how on earth are they still gonna believe me with all my impotence"
You see, there is a definite pattern in the Old Testament of God striving with man. God gives man something good, man corrupts it, and God gets impatient with man and sends down destruction and a new covenant.
God was the protector of Israel, because Israel had to protect the Word of God who would produce the saviour for mankind... it didn't own Israel to start a jihad against unbelievers all over the world. The new covenant is not a abrogation of the old, it's a fullfillment... even the Jews mainly say that what Jesus teaches is Judaism and in full agreeance with the old covenant (excluding the messianic parts, the ressurection and Jesus being the son of God).
From the government's perspective, I want you to be a member of my country first, and a Christian second. As a member of the priesthood, I want you to be a member of my church first, and be a real Christian second. In both cases, the potential for true effectiveness as a Christian is highly corrupted by their primary allegiances.
what is in a man is not what you profess you are, but what you do... you are a christian by your actions not by what you fanaticly rant... you cannot seperate one from another... your christian being is not a shizofrenic state of mind in wich you can choose something to be on second place... if you serve two masters, you will love one and disregard the other
And I am not the only one who has noticed that making Jesus divine is an excellent way to de-emphasize the importance of the message He sent by replacing it with much more marketable one "Jesus is God". After all, who really wants to do good to their enemies or turn the other cheek? To most Christians, that is crazy talk, and they refuse to do those things "literally".
jesus speaks in metaphors, do you think he ment it literal to hate your mother? to pluck out your eye ball? or his many parables? don't tell me you can't see further then your nose is long.
God seems to be saying to man through Islam "You cannot handle such a noble message, I will give you a harsher, stricter, law, for, one way or another I will be praised and remembered by my people."
"well you puny humans are not able to understand a doctrine of compassion and tolerance, i will send you a doctrine of war and hate and kick it into you..." you have very weird and absurd ideas about God
And as adultery has always been on his "Top Ten List" of things that are important to him, Islam's strictness concerning this seems to be right in line with God's heart on the matter.
hundred lashings for women? and men get a free ride?
and does raping count as adultry? cause muslim men can freely rape woman as long as there weren't four witnesses in the room... if you think Islam is so just, why not go live in Saudie Arabia instead of the 'decadent' and 'unrighteous' west.
I don't even know how God can bear America's devotion to adultery. Not only is it everywhere, but as I have said, so many Christians have watched and still watch it performed by Hollywood's idols. If so few Christians are willing to be truly Christlike, why wouldn't God decide to send another, more harsh message.
America's isn't devoted on adultary... their are laws against this with big financial and social losses wich mostly ruins lives completely...
As I have said, the pattern for God doing this with mankind is all over the Old Testament.
ever heard of progressive revelation? you judge christianity but you don't even understand it.
In fact, I treat my children the same way. I will do my best to love them and guide them into doing right, but if they continue to disobey me-I will put a stop to it and when I do I will assert myself and compel my children to submit to my authority. There will also be an increase in accountability.
you also let your children sleep with muhammed? if he asked your nine year old daughter as his wife?
Sure, I can agree with many Christians that the love that Jesus speaks of is the most ideal teaching, but God has proven himself impatient in the past, and, by the look of things in America right now, He should be.
God is all forgiving not impatient... i don't know what idea you have about God, but i sence that you try to reflect your own personality on God... you would love to be a good man but know you are incapable of being that, so you choose the next best thing... being a wolve dressed in a sheep's clothe
Jesus most challenging, yet powerful teachings from the Beatitudes and the Sermon on the Mount, get such little respect from today's church for a reason, people would rather emphasize who Jesus is, than what Jesus said.
I don't know wich church you go to, if you think that... but your generalisations on christians is very much insulting.
In fact, the only use the church has for Jesus' beautiful teachings is that they can be used as evidence that Jesus is God. No one really expects them to actually be followed.
where verses are used as a certain
proof is only in apologetics... most churches that i know of stick to preaching only (when in sermon or eucharisty).