Liberate wrote:Ah yes Rashad Khalifa the man who thought he was the final prophet after Mohammed until someone stabbed him in 1982 because of it...
Rashad Khalifah never claimed to be a Prophet of Allah. I read the man's work and he never claimed such a thing.
Maybe you need to read this passage from Khalifa from submission.org since I have seen you quote from this website to support your view:
http://www.submission.org/messenger/announce.html
entitled "Why did Rashad Khalifa announce his messengership"
Announcing my messengership was not my idea; it was a command from Al-mighty God. For eight years, I had maintained the same views as those who believe that an announcement was not necessary. I used to think: Why is the announcement necessary? Why not preach the word of God, uphold the word of God ALONE, and preach the worship of God ALONE, without announcing anything about the messengership? In those days of ignorance, I resisted making such an announcement. Finally, I was told that I was too coward to carry out the duties of God's messenger. I was fired. It took a whole night of repenting, crying, apologizing, and pledging. When I reached a solid conviction that I must make the announcement, even at the cost of losing my own children and my best friends, I was restored. The following night, I spoke with my daughter during the pre-dawn meal of a Ramadan night, and I was trying to be as diplomatic as I could be. My daughter interrupted, "What are you trying to say, Dad? I knew all along that you are God's messenger." I received the same response from all the believers around me. They had known me for a long time, and they knew that I was not a crazy man. They realized that a person who lies about God or claims messengership falsely has to be a person who does nor believe in God or the Hereafter; a person who does not expect to stand before God on the Day of Judgment to answer for his actions.
The announcement played a crucial role in distinguishing the true believers from those who have another god besides God. We learn from 45:23 that the ego is the god of many people. It is the ego that prevents people from believing God and heeding His teachings. It is the ego that prevents people from accepting another human being as God's messenger (6:8-9, 11:27, 17:94, 23:34, 38:4, 54:24). The announcement was necessary to sift away those who worship their egos instead of God. It was necessary to sift away those who say with their lips that they are believers, while doubting or rejecting God's evidence that Rashad Khalifa is God's Messenger of the Covenant.
Finally, we must reflect on verses 57:13-14: "The hypocrite men and women will tell the believers on the Day of Judgment, 'Were we not with you?' The believers will say, 'Yes, but you deceived yourselves, you waited and lingered too long, you harbored doubts, and you were deceived by wishful thinking (lip Service).'"
Suppose you become ill and you go to a person for advice, and he or she gives you some medicine. If this happens a few times, you will begin to trust that person as a doctor. But you will continue to harbor doubts and worries about your doctor, unless he makes an announcement that be is a qualified physician, with all official certificate. Similarly, an announcement of messengership assures the believers that they are not falling victims to some charlatan; they will be assured that they are following God's guidance through His proven and declared messenger.
Also he was not killed because of such a claim. He was killed cause he rejected Hadeeth and preached that hadeeth are false and also for his assumption that the Quran was tampered with.
He was killed because he was seen as a heretic, life is cheap in islam.
Interesting you acknowledge your fellow muslims can kill you for rejecting hadith; peace indeed.
Liberate wrote:...ignorant muslims oblivious that Rashad Khalifia is regarded as an apostate by the majority of the muslim ummah still propagate this '19' joke of a miracle.
There is truth in everything, seperating it from falsehood is just like eating fish....you spit out the bones.
By your logic is not Apple Pie then telling you the truth about sura 86?
Liberate wrote:H20 has indirectly admitted he was a member of this group before he joined his sunni/shite hybrid.
I was never a part of the Rashad Khalifah "ism". Obviously you havent payed attention to wit I have said in the past. I do not accept no hadeeth that contradict the Quran or that is contradicted by the majority of Hadeeths.
The Rashad Khalifah "ism" does not believe in Hadeeth or trust Hadeeth at all.
And you told us you used to be like that (rejecting all hadiths) until some imam took you to one side and told you not to reject all hadiths.