beads wrote:~ you're out of context and your quoting is less that accurate ~
Well, by all means, please show me where I'm out of context and how I'm misrepresenting what you're saying. I'm not trying to quote you word for word - I'm trying to see if I understand what you're saying by rephrasing it in my own words. If I've got you wrong, then please say what you mean again, and I'll see if I understand that.
I have not confussed you, its just that you are not getting the answer you imagine.
I would not have replied you in this thread in the first place if I thought you were going to give me the answer I expected. This is a debate forum, not a "pat-your-likeminded-buddies-on-the-back" forum.
You say you sin a little here and there! How obsurd!!
You say you are living a sinless life...... and you call me absurd?!
You cannot be a little sinner while another is a big sinner!!
I never said this. Do not put words in my mouth. What I did say is that when I sin and am convicted, then I confess my sin and seek repentance...... as opposed to you who claim that you no longer need repentance because nothing you do is sin.
Is not your blindness that of unbelief.
Unbelief in what? That I have the ability to live a completely sinless life? Well, you're right. I don't believe that.
I do believe that God has called me to live a sinless life, and that He desires for me to be perfect like His Son, but I also believe what Paul wrote in Romans 7, that though I want to live perfectly, my flesh is warring against my spirit, so that I find myself doing things that I don't want to do. You appear to be blind to the fact that, even though you're saved, there is still a spiritual war going on inside you, and you do have the ability to lose a battle every once in a while, even though the war is already won through Christ.
You have not prayed about this or the Holy Spirit would be communicating to you.
How dare you attack me and my prayer life! :x You don't know me at all, and you stand there and throw out accusations like this?! And then you have the nerve to claim that you have not judged me?!?!? :x
So, what is it then..... any one who has any different opinion than you automatically must be out of contact with the Spirit? Not trying to jump to conclusions here, but the phrase "holier than thou" springs to mind......
All you hear is the clanging of symbols...!
If that's what you want to call your post, be my guest.
You are off base, you are reading wrongly, interpreting wrongly, quoting like you know what you are talking about
Like I said, I'm only trying to rephrase what you've said so I can be sure I understand what you're saying. If I've misrepresented you, please show me where I've done it, and rephrase so that I can understand you more clearly.
puffed up with pride!
Umm.....
I'm not the one who came into this forum with her guns ablazin' saying that everyone who thinks they've sinned is not a Christian, and that anyone who disagrees with me is not in touch with God. Check your own posts, dear, and I think you'll see a bit of pride in them.
But, hey.... at least pride doesn't count as a sin for you, right!
Its pretty clear that your confession is that you sin, maybe not every day but some days...how very odd and very hypocritical...
Odd and hypocritical for me to say that I struggle with sin in my life? Do you also find it odd and hypocritical that Paul struggled with sin in his life?
for I am not judging you but you freely judge me!!
You just got done saying that I have not prayed about this and that I am puffed up with pride, and now you're saying you are not judging me? That's an outright lie.
But, hey.... at least lying doesn't count as a sin for you, right!
But God is clear to our understandings, and you are harsh with yours!
You who look for a judge to judge me, you have already judged yourself!
How have I judged you? If trying to understand where in the Bible you get your doctrine from is judging, then I guess I'm guilty.
Shall you condem me before God?
No, that's not my job, and I never claimed it was. Although that does bring up an interesting point.
When we stand in judgement before God at the Judgement Seat of Christ, all of the sins we committed before we got saved are not a part of that judgment because we are judge for what we have done for Christ so that we can obtain our rewards and crowns. If we never do anything wrong, then what's the point in that judgment? Wouldn't we all get the same crown - the one of getting saved and never sinning again? But the Bible is clear that there are different crowns to be won.
Are you rather not condeming yourself!
Again, not my job. When I stand before God, He will see me washed in the blood of His Lamb, and that's all I'll need to gain entrance into heaven.
You, on the other hand, seem to be claiming that it takes more than faith to get to heaven. Faith plus a sinless life (read, "works") is necessary to obtain and maintain your salvation - this seems to be your teaching.
Sin is like vomit, sin is like dung.
Oh my goodness...... we agree on something!
It appears you have a relationship with sin, believing that it lives in you and all through your memebers!
There you go, twisting my words again. I did not say I have a "relationship" with sin. I said I commit sins. And when I do, I confess them and get it right with God. If I had a relationship with sin, wouldn't you expect that I would not try to get that sin out of my life? I merely am identifying myself with Paul when he says:
- Romans 7:17-21
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
you want a yes or no...I have given you the answer, the hope of my salvation from the very get go... but you have passed over it with ignorance, pride and self justification.
No, I've gone over it with a critical mind, and I've found that you have contradicted yourself. You've said on one hand that if a Christian thinks he's sinned, then he has. Then on the other hand that it is not possible for a Christian to sin. It's not so much a "yes" or "no" that I want - it's an answer that doesn't contradict itself that I really want.
"In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." For we preach not ourselves, but christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus sake. For God, who cmmanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ...." II Cor. chapter 4
Is this you not judging me again? Quoting a verse like this? If you're gonna quote a verse, use one that backs up your position, not one that says I've been blinded by Satan. That's sounds an aweful lot like judging to me.
I would imagine that when you sin and you say the Spirit convicts you that possibly you are angry that I can walk around without this conviction?
Imagine what you want. But if you're not experiencing the conviction of the Holy Spirit, then there's something wrong because that's one of His jobs. So either He's not doing it because He's not in your life at all, or He is doing it but you're just ignoring it.
... God has said that in Christ you do not...
Where?
How can I word this without offence!
I don't care if you offend me. I just would like to see you defend your position without contradicting yourself.
Wherefore the law was our school master to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Does this mean nothing to you??
Justified by faith means everything to me. It's you who is saying that in order to remain saved you have to continue in good works and not sin.
how many times must I repeat the same thing to you.
Until you can do it without contradiction.
If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
So that's your catch-all? "I may have just lied there...... but I'm led by the Spirit, so I'm not under the law. So it couldn't have been sin!"
I glory in the cross...where is it that you glory?
Mine's in faith. Are you sure yours is in the cross? Because it seems like you pretty happy about the fact that you think you are living a sinless life.
I am sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise...which seal do you bear?
It's a good thing you've taken the high road of not judging, because otherwise I might have been offended at this blatant attack on my salvation.
It is you that needs to be accountable and stop blaming sin for your actions!
Sin is an action - a verb. It is not something that blame can be put on.
Besides, even if it was, doesn't the fact that I confess show that I don't blame sin? If I thought it was sin's fault, then I wouldn't need to confess because it wasn't my fault to begin with.
its not working because you keep doing what you don't want to...
God's forgiveness doesn't work????
or you keep doing what you want to but call it human nature sin that is something you cannot rid yourself of only ask for forgiveness from...
No. Read Romans 7 again. I merely identifying wth Paul. The things I want to do are the things I don't do, and the things I do are the things I don't want to do in the Spirit, but find myself doing in the flesh.
There is nothing wrong with warring against sin. God promised that the Christian walk would not be an easy one. It is likened to a war, a fight, a long-distance marathon. You're saying it's a cake-walk because we can never do anything wrong. God doesn't agree with you. Who do you think is wrong?
I suppose you have not learned to be content in him.
And you seem to have learned to be content with your life as it is right now, not growing spiritually.
I hear no true confession, only that you believe its good enough for you to call yourself a Christian but not walk as one.
Again you twist my words. I never said it was good enough to just talk the talk. I only said I have struggles. The fact that I see the need to confess and get back on the right track should be confession enough for you. But I don't care what you think of me - God knows my heart.
where is your faith?
Mine is in God and the finished work of His Son on the cross. That's were yours used to be too, but then you got the idea that faith wasn't enough. You also had to live a perfect life to get to heaven. Your faith plus works doctrine is not Biblical.