Hi.. hope you are well. I apologise if it sounded arrogant to you.. but I still don’t see how saying that I am stating things that are in the Quraan and the bible (which I did) sound arrogant. I was showing you a comparison of how the two deal with women issues.
No offense taken, just try to stay on topic.
For example, I personally think your signature sentence “"For Jews ask for signs and Greeks seek after wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified; a stumbling block to Jews, and foolishness unto Gentiles."” is arrogant. I don’t know if you mean to make it out like that, but to non-Christians that’s how it seems. You are saying that jews are stupid, and everyone else is a fool. Is it so bad that we (muslims and jews) believe in the only one god? That we follow the commandments, and do what god said rather than someone like paul who never met jesus and who jesus never even warned us was coming to change everything he had taught all his life?
The signature is Scripture, and it is true; i.e Messiah is a stumbling block to the Jews, and to those Gentiles that reject him and his finished work up
upon the cross are foolish.
Read the verse in context and you will understand.
Ohh and please don't bash Paul, sure he persecuted us at first but then he accepted Christ Jesus; Paul never changed anyhting, Luke affirms that Paul is an apostole Acts 21:1-20, and so does 2 Peter 3:15-16.
Start another thread and I will school ya.
I also want to say that just because Moh’d pbuh happened to be an arab, most jews automatically dismissed him because he was not from the line of Isaac, even though he was a descendent of Abraham pbuh
Jews and Christians both, he did not prove his prophethood; Also his morality is questionable to say the least.
Many israelis had left the beautiful land of Palestine to the barren, hot, boring, lands of Arabia. Why were they there… Because they were waiting for a prophet that was prophesised in the OT and that he would come from Arabia.
Nowhere in OT does it say that, and since you belive the OT is corrupted YOU CAN'T USE IT TO PROVE YOUR POINT.
They described him to the pagan arabs and warned them for years and years and told them that once their prophet came they would rule the place. When the prophet was then told by Gabriel that he was a prophet and began to preach the arabs recognised straight away that he was the prophet the jews were waiting for
Muhammed was delusional, not only that but he stole OT and NT scriptures and rewrote it; when he showed up and claimed to be a Prophet both Christians and Jews LAUGHED at him.
After all they were hearing about him for years. so they rushed to follow him and accept his message. Many jews had recognised that he was the prophet, and many became muslim, but most didn’t, because all I can say was that they were racist..
Not True, in fact Jews recognised he was a False Prophet; also please refrain calling people rascist you can't back that up with anyhting.
which I don’t blame them because the arabs were pretty shameful back then. The OT says that the prophet would be from their bretheren… and who are the bretehren of the semetic Israelis?
Prophet had to be a Jew by birth he had to prove it by providing Bloodline Geneology; your false assumption.
If you want to read more about this issue it is in the link I provided before, and talks deeply into the issue and the exact verses in the OT that deal with this, because not only were they waiting for a messiah, but also for a prophet who I guess they are still waiting for. If that’s the case then that prophet, to fulfil the prophesy, should come from middle Arabia.. but we know now that only arabs and muslims are in the makka region (bakka in the OT, the old name of makka) and there is no way a jewish prophet will ever come from there, unless Israel rules suadi arabia, which is very unlikely.
I appreciate your candor, but in all seriousness Muhammed was not a prophet; no OT scriptures support his prophethood. Sweetie there's no way that Islam or Muhammed can get around that fact.
I just showed you the article on the NT did you read it; of course not you brushed it aside. I am sorry you seem like a nice person, but you still proved nothing; and you never will beacuse you can't; Archeology supports the Bible, it's been validated and it's IRREPUTABLE.
I hope you read my posts with an open mind.. and I hope you checked out the link I gave you.. since I am no scholar on the OT, NT or Quraan, I’m giving you a chance to read about it from someone who knows them all intimately.
I read them, I don't trust your sources; nearly all the Historians and Archeologists agree NT and OT have not changed; ohh and by the way I would appreciate Evidance and not someone elses dribble that contradicts the facts.
Other then that I got nothing Against you, I love you and I hope that someday the veil will be lifted over your eyes.
And thanks for replying, I will check out your site now. I hope you do the same to the one I gave you, I really hope you try to understand our point of view.
I understand it, I just don't accept it; I read the Quoran, The Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad in 1955 by Oxford Press. The History of al-Tabari, called the Ta’rikh by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari.
Sahih Al-Bukhari by Al-Bukhari’s The True Traditions. I am still reading al-Tabari, it's quite long several voliums in fact.
Since you believe the NT is the unaltered word of god, then do you agree with the passages I put about how the bible sees women..… or do you think that maybe the hands of men had anything to do with it? you can just answer yes or no if you like, since I’m really on the wrong thread to be talking about all these things.. I’ll bring it up on another thread later on.. ta.
NT and OT are inspired, Read the article I posted for you; if you want more info on the autheticity of the NT I will be more then happy to give you more. At least you're learning, keep this up ask questions; you will understand us Christians better.