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I know I’ve gone off topic, but I was trying to make a point because loki said the Quraan is a materialistic book and I was trying to show, using the issues of women, that a book dealing with everyday life (in addition to personal spirituality) is a good thing and not a bad thing. Dooooon’t worry this is my last post about the issue and I will raise it in another thread later on.
Sevryn
Hi.. hope you are well. I apologise if it sounded arrogant to you.. but I still don’t see how saying that I am stating things that are in the Quraan and the bible (which I did) sound arrogant. I was showing you a comparison of how the two deal with women issues.
For example, I personally think your signature sentence “"For Jews ask for signs and Greeks seek after wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified; a stumbling block to Jews, and foolishness unto Gentiles."” is arrogant. I don’t know if you mean to make it out like that, but to non-Christians that’s how it seems. You are saying that jews are stupid, and everyone else is a fool. Is it so bad that we (muslims and jews) believe in the only one god? That we follow the commandments, and do what god said rather than someone like paul who never met jesus and who jesus never even warned us was coming to change everything he had taught all his life?
I also want to say that just because Moh’d pbuh happened to be an arab, most jews automatically dismissed him because he was not from the line of Isaac, even though he was a descendent of Abraham pbuh. Many israelis had left the beautiful land of Palestine to the barren, hot, boring, lands of Arabia. Why were they there… Because they were waiting for a prophet that was prophesised in the OT and that he would come from Arabia. They described him to the pagan arabs and warned them for years and years and told them that once their prophet came they would rule the place. When the prophet was then told by Gabriel that he was a prophet and began to preach the arabs recognised straight away that he was the prophet the jews were waiting for. After all they were hearing about him for years. so they rushed to follow him and accept his message. Many jews had recognised that he was the prophet, and many became muslim, but most didn’t, because all I can say was that they were racist.. which I don’t blame them because the arabs were pretty shameful back then. The OT says that the prophet would be from their bretheren… and who are the bretehren of the semetic Israelis? The semetic arabs. It’s all to do with race and nothing to do with religion. It is because the arabs were the worst of the worst at the time, and they just couldn’t accept him as a prophet, even though the prophet himself never believed in idols and always went to a cave alone to meditate and ask god for a sign. And they were waiting for an Israeli rather than an arab, even though we are the same race only with a different language. If you want to read more about this issue it is in the link I provided before, and talks deeply into the issue and the exact verses in the OT that deal with this, because not only were they waiting for a messiah, but also for a prophet who I guess they are still waiting for. If that’s the case then that prophet, to fulfil the prophesy, should come from middle Arabia.. but we know now that only arabs and muslims are in the makka region (bakka in the OT, the old name of makka) and there is no way a jewish prophet will ever come from there, unless Israel rules suadi arabia, which is very unlikely.
I hope you read my posts with an open mind.. and I hope you checked out the link I gave you.. since I am no scholar on the OT, NT or Quraan, I’m giving you a chance to read about it from someone who knows them all intimately.
It also deals with why god chose the Arabic language as the language of the final book.
And thanks for replying, I will check out your site now. I hope you do the same to the one I gave you, I really hope you try to understand our point of view.
W.
p.s. Since you believe the NT is the unaltered word of god, then do you agree with the passages I put about how the bible sees women..… or do you think that maybe the hands of men had anything to do with it? you can just answer yes or no if you like, since I’m really on the wrong thread to be talking about all these things.. I’ll bring it up on another thread later on.. ta.