ArchivedProve Islam with the BibleOk believer, Sorry I didn't reply in a while. Projects are killing me. Let's see who's fooling himself Believer: (1) About Omega's post : Maybe it's a cultural thing that I didn't realize about how we middle eastern people use the word "Brothers". As a matter of fact, Omega proved our point about what "Brother" means. Ok, so you take this as if it's relating to the Jews only. That's correct but let's look here : In every tribe, they married from the same tribe or tried to, so basically the Levites are cousins or could be called cousins. Notice that at the same time they are being called brothers.
Heh, 12 fathers, their sons are cousins, yet they are called brothers. To make this more clear. Since the Arabs are from the same origins they are called brothers. Same goes with the Jews. Now if you ADDRESS all the Jews and tell them you will give them a prophet from their brothers then it will be from Ishmael. You can go to the middle east and see how they use the word "brother" . My cousins are my brothers since we are all from the same family. When someone wants to address my whole family which include my cousins he/she will call them "MY BROTHERS". I am sure all the middle eastern people here will understand what I'm talking about. So, Jews are brothers, Arabs are brothers, Jews and Arabs are cousins and if you address one nation (and since they are from the same father) and you want to refer to their cousins you could say "brothers". Now, how am I fooling myself Believer? Here we go again: (1) Ishmael will be made a great nation, yet you tell me it only means they will have great numbers. Well: (a) make him fruitful and multiply him exceedingly (b) shall be the father of twelve princes AND (c) make him a great nation (2) Now please tell me how can you not see that they asked him three questions. How can (a) The Christ AND (b) The Prophet, be the same. This was your answer : My answer: if we use the word AND properly and assuming the text is correct, then Jesus is the Prophet and not the Messaiah. Now of course I'm fooling myself here. (3) John 16 "13: When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come" Surely to you Jesus is speaking about the Holy Spirit. Of course The father, the son, and the HOLY SPIRIT are ONE and since they are the same and not different from each other. CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW GOD WILL NOT SPEAK OF HIS OWN AUTHORITY BUT WHATEVER HE HEARS HE WILL SPEAK? And again we see the same thing repeated Deuteronomy:" And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him" Now, how am I fooling myself my friend? What does the Quran say: Quran 46:9 " Say ( O 'Muhammad ), "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner. Even Jesus predicted a great nation: Matthew 21 :"42: Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the scriptures: `The very stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner; this was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes'? 43: Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation producing the fruits of it." We Muslims don't even believe that Jesus came with a new religion, because WE Muslims and Jews realize that Pagen concepts have been adopted. Original Sin: Jesus died for our sins. O ya? Deuteronomy 24:" 16:The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor shall the children be put to death for the fathers; every man shall be put to death for his own sin." Ezekiel 18: "19: "Yet you say, `Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?' When the son has done what is lawful and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. 20: The soul that sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. No one can die for my sins. A new Religion ? (1) The two great commandments from Jesus are a direct quote from Deuteronomy. There is nothing new about it. (2) Matthew 10 :"5: These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, "Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. " Clearly the Gentiles are not included here. (3) Matthew 8: "4: And Jesus said to him, "See that you say nothing to any one; but go, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a proof to the people." Jesus is asking people to follow Moses' law. (4) Matthew 15 :"23: But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, "Send her away, for she is crying after us." 24: He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Even though she was eventually healed, that statement from Jesus is well established. that is some of the so many examples that can be demonstrated SON OF GOD? The two terms son of god and god are being used loosely in the OT. It was used for two purposes Genesis 6:"2: the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose" Hosea 1 :"10: Yet the number of the people of Israel shall be like the sand of the sea, which can be neither measured nor numbered; and in the place where it was said to them, "You are not my people," it shall be said to them, "Sons of the living God." Exodus 4:"16: He shall speak for you to the people; and he shall be a mouth for you, and you shall be to him as God." We know that only the gospel of John call Jesus the ONLY SON OF GOD where the others don't. Yet we read this : John 20:"17: Jesus said to her, "Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." Clearly Jesus us stating that his God is their God and his Father is their Father. Jesus is no different from the others. Read this now: John 10 " 33: The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we stone you but for blasphemy; 1because you, being a man, make yourself God." 34: Jesus answered them, 2"[Is it not written in your law, `I said, you are gods'? 35: If he called them gods to whom the word of God came (and scripture cannot be broken), 36: do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, `You are blaspheming,' because I said, `I am the Son of God'? " (1) They called him a blasphemes because he said God and I are one (2) He defended himself trying to explain to them that he didn't mean it that way and GAVE THEM AN EXAMPLE FROM THE SCRIPTURE TO SHOW THEM THIS. Please tell me I'm wrong here ORIGINS OF CHRISTIANITY 1) MITHRA, the Persian sun god a) Born to a virgin b) Born on the 25th of December c) Christmas and Easter were celebrated d) They had seven sacraments e) Baptism, Confirmation, and Eucharistic supper at which the communicants partook of the divine nature of Mithra under the species of bread and wine. 2) ATTIS of Phrygia: a) Born to a virgin b) the only begotten son and savior c) brought a new life to humanity d) rose from the dead DIONYSIUS or BACCHUS of Greece: a) The only begotten son of Jupiter b) born to a virgin mother named DEMETER on December 25th c) Redeemer and Savior d) He called himself the Alpha and the Omega e) and other similarities in death, and resurrection. All I can quote at this point is from the Quran : [5] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship GOD; my Lord and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside GOD, GOD has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers. 5:73] Pagans indeed are those who say that GOD is a third of a trinity. There is no god except the one god. Unless they refrain from saying this, those who disbelieve among them will incur a painful retribution [5] Would they not repent to GOD, and ask His forgiveness? GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful [5] The Messiah, son of Mary, is no more than a messenger like the messengers before him, and his mother was a saint. Both of them used to eat the food. Note how we explain the revelations for them, and note how they still deviate! [5] Say, "Would you worship beside GOD powerless idols who can neither harm you, nor benefit you? GOD is Hearer, Omniscient." [5] Say, "O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion beyond the truth, and do not follow the opinions of people who have gone astray, and have misled multitudes of people; they are far astray from the right path." [5] Condemned are those who disbelieved among the Children of Israel, by the tongue of David and Jesus, the son of Mary. This is because they disobeyed and transgressed. [5] They did not enjoin one another from committing evil. Miserable indeed is what they did. [5] You would see many of them allying themselves with those who disbelieve. Miserable indeed is what their hands have sent forth on behalf of their souls. GOD is angry with them and, consequently, they will abide forever in retribution. [5] Had they believed in GOD, and the prophet, and in what was revealed to him herein, they would not have befriended them. But many of them are evil. [5] GOD will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside GOD?' " He will say, "Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets. [5] "I told them only what You commanded me to say, that: `You shall worship GOD, my Lord and your Lord.' I was a witness among them for as long as I lived with them. When You terminated my life on earth, You became the Watcher over them. You witness all things. Am I fooling myself? Salam. |
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