Trinity DebateJesus as the embodied pre-existent SonThose verses are clear enough. Jesus existed before Abraham, and bears God's Name. This is not a surprise, considering Jesus and the Father have the same nature and being. God technically didn't give His glory to another if Jesus is of the same nature and substance as God the Father. Again, as you can see in the passage from I Corinthians, the Son completes the Father. The Father is not complete without the Son. The Son compliments the Father and fulfills Him in every way. The Spirit is our Advocate that Jesus promised. This isn't an angel or a person, but is God the Holy Spirit. II Corinthians 13:13 and Matthew 28:19 depict the Holy Spirit and God and Jesus are distinct persons. I gave my take on those verses. I'm not the best teacher, maybe this new gentleman (Google) can explain things better than me. Scripture is clear that the state of Glory and existence that Christ was in before He came into this world is of the same nature as that which He went to after all was completed. It's also clear that Jesus is the Living Bread that came down from Heaven. The unusual statments of Jesus existing before all things, and through Him all living creatures were made are quite clear, that Jesus was there. Jesus just is. In Revelation Christ is proclaimed the First and the Last. Hey, I believe what's in scripture...which is quite clear that the Father is our only God. So is Jesus and the Holy Spirit...the same "only God". Again, Peter just didn't elaborate on who the preexistent Jesus was. He emphasized the man Jesus, and his life, death, and ressurection. You want to use this passage as a complete Christological argument, which is wrong. How do you suppose Jesus was able to defeat death and Satan, unlike anyone previously who died? Because He was God and God does not die. God is not taken captive by Satan, rather defeats Satan. When God the Son was released from the body, cataclysmic things happened. It's self evident who Jesus is. You want to negate things from Jesus Christ that are so inherently Christian. |
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