Trinity DebateJesus as the embodied pre-existent SonInteresting how these same Jews believed Jesus put Himself equal to God with his statments. I have explained Phillipians 2 very well, so I was hoping other people on this forum would jump into this discussion to let us know how they feel. Superman strongly questions your possitions now, Aineo. Verses in John support how many others and myself view Phillipians 2. I ask only for your opinions on these two verses. John 6:62 What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? John 3:13 No one has gone up to heaven except the one who has come down from heaven, the Son of Man. It just seems very blatant to me that Jesus existed as a being before He came into this world. This thread is focusing on Jesus's preexistence. The "is Jesus God" argument has been done many times already. This is alittle different. You're trying to shift the argument totally away from is Jesus a preexistent being, and make it soley and argument for Jesus's Godhood. These two passages have no relations for Jesus being or not being a preexistent being. Aineo, if Jesus preexisted all things including creation then He cannot and is not soley human in nature. Even JW's have to account for that. So I mean, you haven't defeated me in this debate. Jesus is the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega. Him, and the Father, and the Holy Spirit. Talking about Greek-influenced nonsense, Making the preexistent Jesus Christ a Platonic ideal is definitely more Hellenistic that saying Jesus is preexistent and eternal, which I fail to see a real relationship with that and Hellenism. |
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