Free For all - Open Discussions and DebatesWhy sinners deserve helltuppence wrote:I mentioned your response to Barry, and he said, "What about Revelation and the last seal?"
Here it is:
"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They call out in a loud voice, 'How long, Sovereing Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?'" Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed."Rev. 6:9-11
Does the Lord have a literal sword coming from his mouth (19:15), is the church a literal lampstand (1:20)? John sees a vision of martyrs whose "..blood cries out to Me from the ground" (Genesis 4:10).
The Transfiguration is another account that is usually cited to prove the spirits of the dead are in heaven. However, this is another case of taking Scripture out of context.
Matthew 17:1-9
Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying,"This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!" 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. 7 But Jesus came and touched them and said, "Arise, and do not be afraid." 8 When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only.
9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead."
NKJV
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