Homosexual Discussion ForumWhat if Homosexuality is Genetic?In his book "Homosexuality" published in 1962 Irving Bieber showed empirically that some men with sufficient motivation and proper counseling can totally 100% change their sexual orientation. This was a study down by seculare psychiatrist and psychologists not religious diehards. Also Dr. Spitzer one of the prime supporters of removing homosexuality from the DSM III in 1973 reversed his position a couple years ago and stated in several professional journals that men with strong religious convictions can and have changed their sexual orientation. So you see Boiler Bro Joe all of your "what ifs" can be empirically shown to be just that "what ifs". Read the following: Psychology Today Editor Defends Reorientation Therapy In an editorial which just appeared in the latest issue of Psychology Today (Jan./Feb. 2003) editor Robert Epstein, Ph.D. defends sexual reorientation therapy, responding as well to recent bruising criticism from the gay community. Epstein's editorial, "Am I Anti-Gay? You Be the Judge" was written after gay activists objected to his magazine's publication of an ad for a controversial new book. The book is A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality, by Joseph and Linda Nicolosi, which describes the ways in which parents can maximize the likelihood of their children growing up with a secure gender identity and heterosexual orientation. Angered when she saw the ad, psychologist Betty Berzon somehow located the private phone number of magazine editor Bob Epstein. Calling him at home on a Saturday, she demanded an explanation from him. (Epstein graciously refrained from identifying Berzon by name in his editorial, but a gay magazine, The Advocate, later identified her as the caller.) Berzon demanded to know why his magazine accepted "such a heinous ad." She told Epstein that she was speaking for thousands' of gays who were going to boycott the magazine -- "and worse," she warned. In that conversation, and in letters from other gay activists that followed, Epstein -- who is a social liberal and champion of gay rights--was suddenly immersed in something quite new to him--what he describes as "the dark, intolerant, abusive side of the gay community." The author of the book, Berzon charged, "was 'a bigot.'" Furthermore, "no gay person had ever successfully become straight," and "homosexuality was entirely determined by genes." She added that sexual conversion therapy had been condemned by the American Psychological Association. "Threats, Insults and Brutal Letters" When Epstein disagreed with the above assertions, Berzon hung up the phone and sent out a flurry of postings to gay and lesbian internet sites, urging activists to harass him at home by telephone, Epstein says, and then to barrage him with complaint letters. The Psychology Today editor subsequently received "threats, insults," and "brutal letters" from gay activists. "In all," Epstein says, "I received about 120 letters...Several writers suggested I was a 'Nazi' and 'bigot,' and one compared me with the Taliban. A surprising number of letters asserted that gays have a right to be rude or abusive because they themselves have been abused." But Reorientation Therapy Is Not Condemned "But my caller was way off-base, on key points," Epstein notes. "The APA has never condemned sexual conversion therapy but has merely issued cautionary statements." One of those statements in fact reminds psychologists "of their obligation to 'respect the rights of others to hold values, attitudes and opinions that differ from [their] own'--an obligation from which my caller clearly feels exempt." So what about therapy to change homosexuality? Since the condition was removed from the diagnostic manual in 1973, did the authors of Preventing Homosexuality have the right to promote reorientation therapy? "Although homosexuality was removed from the DSM as a mental disorder in 1973," Epstein says, "all editions of the DSM have listed a disorder characterized by 'distress' over one's sexual orientation, and some choose to try to change that orientation. Both gays and straights have a right to seek treatment when they're unhappy with their sexual orientation, and some choose to try to change that orientation. It would be absurd to assert that only heterosexuals have that right." But can gays actually change? Epstein said that he had seen some "interesting data" supporting the ethics and effectiveness of reorientation therapy. He cited recent research, featured on the NARTH web site and just published in an APA journal, by NARTH Fellow Award recipient Warren Throckmorton, Ph.D., "which suggests that sexual orientation conversion therapy is at least sometimes successful...From this and other sources I'd guess that such therapy is probably successful about a third of the time." Epstein then notes that perhaps another third of the clients--those who do not succeed and eventually drop out--"are unhappy or even angry" about their failure to change. These figures might sound discouraging, he says, but there are many similar examples of clinical problems that resist change. He notes that agoraphobia (fear of leaving home) and autism are also very difficult to treat successfully, and that "angry outcomes" after therapy often occur as a result of many difficult treatments, such as marital counseling. Then there's also the charge by critics of reorientation that therapy may change behavior, but not fantasies. In fact, Epstein notes, mere behavioral change is sufficient for many clients and is not an unethical form of treatment, because "it's common for people to ask therapists to help them suppress a wide variety of tendencies with possible genetic bases: compulsive shopping and gambling, drinking, drug use, aggressiveness, urges to have too much sex, or sex with children, etc." But of still greater importance in this discussion, Epstein continued, "is a new study by Robert Spitzer, M.D. of Columbia University." Epstein notes that "even though he has been under tremendous pressure by gay activists to repudiate his findings, Spitzer has concluded that sexual conversion therapy can produce significant, positive and lasting changes." Throughout the unfolding controversy--including an "O'Reilly Factor" TV interview in December with book author Joseph Nicolosi, in which host Bill O'Reilly vehemently defended Nicolosi's right to publish and advertise--editor Epstein refused to back down. "Stay tuned," he advises his readers in an editorial in the January issue of Psychology Today. Because it's time, he says, to review the sexual conversion issue again in his magazine. "We'll soon offer and objective, comprehensive look at the ex-gay issue, " he says, "and also give the factions space to vent." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source of Epstein quotes: Editorial by Dr. Robert Epstein, Ph.D., "Am I Anti-Gay? You Be the Judge," Psychology Today, Jan./Feb. 2003, page 7-8. Sexual-Reorientation Treatment Supported in Journal of Marital and Family Therapy By Linda Ames Nicolosi A special section of articles in the January, 2003, issue of the Journal of Marital and Family Therapy (JMFT) examined the subject of psychotherapy for clients seeking to develop their heterosexual potential. Psychologist Christopher Rosik, Ph.D., authored the lead article in the JMFT special issue. His paper provides a rationale for the right of the client to determine how his same-sex attractions are addressed in therapy. Rosik first outlines four motivations often reported by clients seeking change-oriented treatments: Religious/moral conflict; Opportunity for heterosexual marriage and family; Maintenance of existing marriage and family; Desire to avoid the non-monogamy and risky sexual behaviors that create serious risk for HIV infection. Rosik next outlines the literature that supports the possibility of increasing heterosexual potential, concluding with a call for research efforts to identify the key criteria that determine success or failure of reorientation treatments. In a third section, he presents critical ethical guidelines for therapists. These concerns include obtaining informed consent, not coercing clients into therapy, and respecting their autonomy and diversity. A Worldview Difference is at the Heart of the Controversy Rosik argues that it is a fundamental difference in the source of moral values that is behind the controversy over reorientation therapy. This difference plays a powerful role, but ironically, its influence is rarely acknowledged. Building off of existing research and theory, Rosik suggests that liberal opponents of reorientation therapy emphasize a sexual morality that sees the individual as his own autonomous source of moral truth. This is the "ethic of autonomy" (EOA), which envisions people as having the right to do as they choose sexually, provided they do not hurt others. By contrast, argues Rosik, conservative and religious proponents tend to approach the subject more from within a moral domain emphasizing the "ethic of divinity" (EOD) and/or "ethic of community" (EOC), both of which assume a universal moral order typically grounded in religious values given to man by God or community, rather than originating from the autonomous self. Using these distinctions, Rosik examines how these moral value differences result in very different conclusions regarding several issues central to reorientation treatments. For example, he looks at the concept of "homophobia." Both sides have very different views of the actual source and meaning of that term, depending on whether one is liberal or conservative. He also examines the unspoken moral assumptions that underlie our society's application of sexual-orientation nondiscrimination codes. "Listen to the Client" Rosik then discusses our mental health associations' current position statements about reorientation therapy. But without the input of clients who seek change from homosexuality, as well as the perspective of their therapists, Rosik cautions, the conclusions these associations draw about reorientation therapy "may merely reflect suppression, rather than consensus, of opinion among therapists and their clients" (p. 24). Next, in a critical response to the article, Robert-Jay Green, Ph.D., contests Rosik's analysis at almost every point, implying that he has authored a political diatribe rather than a scholarly treatise. Green repeats oft-heard arguments questioning the efficacy of change oriented therapies, citing a recent study by Shidlo and Schroeder (2001) to suggest that only 4% of exclusively gay/lesbian clients who seek change obtain a significant degree of movement toward heterosexual attractions. It should be noted, however, that the Shidlo study specifically sought out dissatisfied reorientation-therapy clients by advertising in gay publications for former clients who considered themselves "harmed," and therefore his study does not reflect a representative sample of consumers. Green elsewhere asserts that elevated levels of psychological distress among gay/lesbian people are minimal, and best resolved when the person accepts and live out his sexual orientation. Throughout his response, Green implies that clinicians involved in change-oriented therapies have compromised their neutrality--conducting therapy with the idea that clients must accept the therapist's own preferred resolution (i.e., giving up homosexuality) to the issue of homoerotic attraction. Opponents of Reorientation Therapy Fail to Acknowledge Their Own Sociopolitical Values While noting some areas of agreement, Rosik observes in a final rejoinder that Green has failed to be forthcoming about his own sociopolitical and moral framework. Rosik analyzes aspects of Green's response, and suggests that it provides evidence of an unacknowledged "ethic of autonomy," which tends to be the dominant ethic of moral discourse for mental health professionals when they evaluate sexuality and reorientation therapies. Rosik argues that the implicit moral values in the current literature should be openly disclosed, and not allowed to masquerade as "neutral" psychological science. Rosik also provides a critique of the Shidlo and Schroeder research, concluding that the methodological limitations of this study have likely led to a serious underestimation of the reports of success among clients who engage in therapeutic change efforts. Finally, he challenges Green's claim that it is only reorientation therapists--not gay-affirming therapists--who possess a values bias that they must monitor carefully to insure ethical practice. The "ethic of autonomy" assumption (i.e., that all non-coercive sexual behaviors are morally equivalent) will likely be experienced by some clients as a welcome environment in which they can evaluate their same-sex attractions, but not by all, observes Rosik. Because religiously conservative clients often operate primarily out of an "ethic of community" or "ethic of divinity" framework, they will likely experience these gay-affirmative approaches as a mismatch of moral values---seeing such approaches as actually hindering their ability to explore same-sex feelings within their own, fundamentally different evaluative framework. (p. 43) Since the publication of the JMFT series, the journal's editor, Karen Wampler, Ph.D., has been under intense criticism from gay-rights groups and the Lesbian and Gay Caucus of the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, which publishes the journal. Even the journal's governing board appears to be leery of Wampler's decision to publish the article. The board is reported to be under pressure by the Association's influential Lesbian and Gay Caucus to issue a statement that explicitly declares reparative therapies "unethical." All of this, says Rosik, saddens him; and he particularly expressed concern at the harsh treatment that Wampler is experiencing. "My article was peer reviewed," Rosik told NARTH, "and was accepted by three of four JMFT reviewers." He added that "I hope therapists who want to hear diverse views on controversial subjects will make a point of supporting Wampler in her decision." NARTH's Name Deleted During Editorial Process Rosik added that pre-publication pressure apparently forced Wampler at the last minute to delete from the article an appendix listing of contact information for several organizations--including NARTH--which assist clients in the development of their heterosexuality. The last-minute duress under which this contact information was eliminated might be demonstrated by the fact that Rosik's reference to the appendix of contact organizations was never removed from the body of the article, Rosik noted. This unwillingness of the journal to make readers aware of several change affirming organizations stands in stark contrast to the fact that several gay-affirmative resources were featured in an October, 2000, special issue of the JMFT journal on therapy with gay, lesbian, and bisexual clients. A Call to Keep the Debate Civil and Respectful Rosik said he wants to make clear that he repudiates any religious incivility toward gay and lesbian people, and he insists that therapists who engage in reorientation therapies need to disclose potential risks of treatment. Over the years, he says, he has had occasion to interact with gay and lesbian colleagues who he respects and with whom he has periodic contact. In his article, he urged supporters of reorientation therapy to avoid any demonization of gay-affirmative therapists and instead, to remember that they are sincere individuals who are simply acting from very different moral premises. However, many opponents of Rosik's views do not appear to be so charitable. "It was hard to recognize my article in some of the descriptions of it presented in the gay media," observed Rosik. "It's unpleasant to wade through disagreement so steeped in ad hominem attacks, emotional appeals, and inferences of guilt by association. "I think such conduct is unbecoming," he added, "whether it is displayed by liberals or conservatives." Rosik encourages people to read the series of articles and make up their own minds about the honesty, fairness, and scholarly presentation of his perspective. Interested readers are invited to contact him at christopherrosik@linkcare.org. References Green, R. J. (2003). When therapists do not want their clients to be homosexual: A response to Rosik's article. Journal of Marital and Family Therapy, 29, 29-38. Rosik, C. H. (2003). Motivational, ethical, and epistemological foundations in the clinical treatment of unwanted homoerotic attraction. Journal of Marital and Family Therapy, 29, 13-28. Rosik, C. H. (2003). When therapists to not acknowledge their moral values: Green's response as a case study. Journal of Marital and Family Therapy, 29, 39-45. Shidlo, A., & Schroeder, M. (2001). Ethical issues in sexual orientation conversion therapies: An empirical study of consumers. Journal of Gay and Lesbian Psychotherapy, 5, 131-166. |
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