Christian/Muslim ThreadsMentality of an average missionarySardab wrote: Kai replies: No, you have in fact explained nothing! What you sought to outline was the use of slaves and concubines after Muslims had invaded the enemy. Two points here: 1. I see no way in this outline to present Islam as a respectable religion in which there are any ethical boundaries of war. 2. The picture you sought to present had nothing to do with the particular passages I posted, which depicted female captives, and Muhammad's companions in absense from their wives, who seek permission to rape them and in which permission is granted. Sardab wrote:
Kai replies: Was than an address? There is a rape thing and even several, as I have posted multiple times up to now: When even Sahih Bukhari depicts a scene of mass-rape, why do you a Muslim object to its occurance? Sardab wrote: Kai replies: In other words you consider raping female slaves to be ethically correct. O No, I forgot you do not consider that enforcing a vulnerable slave who has not other choice to have sex as rape; but the fact is that such a female has be enforced into slavery, forced in to sexual intercourse and THUS SUCH PRACTICE IS RAPE. CALL IT BY IT'S REAL NAME If someone had captured your mother or sister or wife in war and brought them home as slaves, and forced them into sexual intercourse, then such practice should not be considered rape but ethically legitimate; that is what your are outlining (Sorry for using this extreme example). But honestly, I find this absurd, this is why I find Christianity relavant and Islam not. As a matter of fact, it is with the true Scriptural Christianity and the transformation that is given by Jesus Christ that a women finds true deliverance. THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN THE CHRISTIAN FAITH TO RAPE FEMALE CAPTIVES, AS WAR AND TAKING SLAVES IS BANNED. NEITHER IS THERE PERMISSION TO RAPE SLAVES. It's a fact that Christian possessed slaves in the early days of Christianity, but look at the context, these were new Christians, who possessed slaves before their conversion (slaves consisted possibly of the biggest class within the Roman empire, historians may differ), but Christian religion, banned any attrocities to be imposed on these slaves. Christian slave owners rather adopted these peoples as family members or even provided them their freedom. In 1 Timothy 1 Paul even bans the capture of slaves, such as captives as it contradicts the entire Christian message. THEN, SARDAB, COMPARE YOUR OUTLINE OF INVASION, SLAVES AND HAVING SEX WITH FEMALE SLAVES TO SUCH ETHICAL STANDARDS. Secondly, the particular passages I posted, do not refer to the domicile affairs or home practice but involve the captives on the battlefield, prior to slavery. Sardab wrote: Kai replies: No, you are right, it would not make me content, because I have posted you the PASSAGES WHERE THE RAPE TOOK PLACE, thus it does not matter if the men went back home every fourth month to their own wives and slaves. THE RAPE STILL OCCURRED. IT'S LIKE COMMITTING A BANK ROBBERY, BUT LEAVING TWO OTHER BANKS UN-ROBBED AND INTACT, BUT THAT ONE BANK I ROBBED IS OF NO SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE I DID NOT ROB THE OTHER TWO. Sardab wrote:
Kai replies: This mumbo-jombo, and lie and fabrication of yours is in fact the Koran and Sahih Bukhari. Sardab wrote:
Kai replies: If you keep on just denying what I post and just ignoring that this is in fact what Islam teaches, then we might well keep on for a long time. Sardab wrote:
Kai replies: This whole thread was meant as a Muslim definition of a Christian missionary mentality. So far you have defined nothing, and definition is what I am still waiting for. I have defined that the New Testament provides not command nor encouragement to engage in war, invade or kill. If you want to prove me wrong on that, then just provide me one passage from it. So far you have posted a range of claims about where Christianity fails, you have no intention to listen to any defence, neither does it sink in. IF YOU WANT TO REPLY TO THIS SARDAB, STOP THE ACCUSATION AND THE CIRCULATION, AND BRING ME SOMETHING OF SIGNIFICANCE. OTHERWISE (and you are correct) WE WASTE OUR TIME Be blessed Kai |
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