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Abdullah, even if some of the words are similar to Al-Baqarah it does not necessarily imply plagersim. Am I not allowed to use any of the words found in the Qur'an like "this", "those", "upon", etec.
Oh really? How about the Bismillah phrase? Is there any other book on earth which begins any chapter with such a formula?
Let's just examine the first verses of Suratul Baqarah along with the plagiarism... (Qur'an in green, plagiarism in red)
In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful, Most Compassionate
In the name of The Living, The Merciful, The Compassionate
1. Alif-Lâm-Mîm. [These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'ân and none but Allâh (Alone) knows their meanings].
Yaa Haa Waa Haa (The meaning of these has not been disclosed)
2. This is the Book (the Qur'ân), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to the righteous.
This is the Surah in which there is no innovating, a guidance for the believers
3. Who believe in the Ghaib and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and spend out of what we have provided for them.
Those who establish the Sunnah of Christ, He is The Light of the Universe
4. And who believe in (the Qur'ân and the Sunnah) which has been sent down (revealed) to you (Muhammad Peace be upon him ) and in that, which were sent down before you and they believe with certainty in the Hereafter.
5. They are on (true) guidance from their Lord, and they are the successful.
They are upon the path of the (pure) disciples
The Sunnah of Christ, a guidance from The Master of the day of judgement
He is The Spirit of The Living and He is The Glory of Faith.
n e one can see the plagiarism there. It almost is just an example of changing words. And someone said that the Qur'an is plagiarised from earlier scriptures....
SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIM. Which other scripture has this style and formula and the beginning of its chapters.
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Prove to me that it is unrecitable, I had no difficulty reciting it myself.
lol...do you have Ijaza in the different Qir'at? I am asking for a recording of a recitation of these verses which sounds more beautiful than the one I provided you with.
CAN YOU GIVE ME SUCH A RECITATION? YES OR NO?
It also seems to me that you are incapable of distinguishing between the recitation of Tilawa and just reading verses out loud. That is not Tilawa.
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If you are correct in saying it is unrecitable, can you show me how I should have wrote it?
You want me to do the challenge for you? Dude! How desperate can you get.
IF YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF PROVIDING A RECITATION OF THESE VERSES SIMILAR TO THE RECITATION I PROVIDED, THEN YOU HAVE FAILED THE CHALLENGE.
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The rules of Tajweed and Tilawah are man made rules that came after the Qur'an was revealed. They were designed to force the Qur'an to rhyme.
Do you realize how ignorant that comment was? lol... that is like you telling me, "Do you realize that language is man made?", as if that supports your claim.
IF THE RULES WERE JUST MADE AFTERWARDS, AS YOU CLAIM, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE NO TROUBLE IN FOLLOWING THEM, CORRECT?
Firstly I did not use the Bismillah, I used Bismilhayy.
Ya Ha Wa Ha is not a plagerism of Alif Lam Meem, they are both completely different. But they have the similar characterisitic that only the author knows the intent behind them.
I admit that I used Al-Baqarah as a model, but I produced different verse with different content and different rhythm, but a similar style.
You really want me to send you a personal recording?
Can't you even
try to recite it for yourself like I recited it for myself. Or are you afraid that you'll be sinning?
I have recited Qur'an, I was a practicing muslim for a number of years. I found no difficulty in lengthening the sounds of some of the words so that they would fit the approximate rhymes.
I don't want you to do the challenge for me, I just want you to show me the mistakes in my grammar. And in order to show me my mistakes you must be able to show me the corrections. Even if the corrections make the verses completely UNLIKE the Qur'an, I just would like the benefit of knowing what was wrong with my Arabic. So that you can be shown to be making true claims.
My claim is that the RULES aren't found in the Qur'an or the Sunnah.
In other words, the Qur'an and the Sunnah don't specify what it means to produce something similar.
Is it similar in rhyme, grammar, theme, content, language, wording, etc?
The Qur'an and the Sunnah doesn't specify, and so you rely on external sources to prove your point.
My point is, if you understand what I'm getting at, is that "Similar" could just mean "similar melody". So the challenge is flawed because it doesn't specify the requirements
for itself.
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