I Tell You what Beads,
I will give you a history lesson.
Because as you say a certain question has never cropped up, and no there is no scripture that disproves you case. And hey there was a debate about this that was passed on by oral tradition in the NON ROMAN sicari tradition.
At the time Jshua was preaching his ministry, a movement known as the sicari wanted Herod's blood. They wanted to wipe out the dynasty, the one primary reason was Herods little act of Machiavelian murder. They regarded both Herod the Great and Herod antipas as sell outs.
Now the Sicari knew why Herod did it, because they were the people planning to relace the dynasty. this is why they had a lot to do with Jshua
and his disciples.
And yes the awkward question came up. The sicari would never, ever accept the notion that "The slaughtered innocents" would suffer eternal fire
and Jshua implied that they would not. Hence the conversion of many of the Sicari in later years. This later became traditional messianic judaism (As opposed to the orthodox stuff you will probably have heard more about)
But as you point out, this is not explicitly stated in the bible. (Well in the non dead sea scroll editions I stress).
Were 2000 years of following Jshua was founded on a lie? And that the hellenic churches were correct?
But lets look at the evidence.
Luke 18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
See also:
Matthew 19:14, Mark 10:14
Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
And against
1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
But Jshua said....
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you (God), than he that is in the world". (Satan) (1John 4:4)
The fact remains that the way you describe Gd describes a flawed Gd,
By insisting on OT interperetation you insist that Jshua is powerless, and the son of an Unjust Gd. Wether or not you consider me to be applying my ethics or not, is also irrelevant. This talk of generational sin also smacks of Eugenics. (Which would explain a lot). If Jshua was going to send all those that died for him to hell, then why does he keep saying "the kingdom of Gd belongs to such as these". Going on about feelgood factors and political correctness at me is a waste of time.
The whole point of Jshua's sacrifice was to remove the fatalism how many times did he berate the Pharisees over it?
You can say until you are blue in the face "tough" It wont wash.
I am descended from the Sicari (Being a TMJ) And I will argue with you about this hellenic doctrine.
You spoke on another thread saying that the sins of child abusers can be forgiven (Which they can) and sin is sin, but curiously you go on to mention that Blaspemy of the Holy Spirit is an exception. Like saying that Jshua's minitry and subsequent death was propped up by infanicide
is not blasphemy of the holy spirit?
why mention that?
I bet this will get really eugenic, That the parents of a child, if both are saved, will mean a child is automatically saved. Meaning Gd saves what? the Christian version of the Lebensborn?
Human understanding that relies on concepts like those of Galton are irrelevant, As is claiming Gd created the universe according to Greenwitch time.
The fact that you preach that Gd creates something in order to destroy it illustrates that you are preaching a hellenic doctrine (Probably has a few spartan undertones I guess).
Every time you post the irony in your posting has not escaped me. Like the Tigger avatar. (Rather feeline, yes. Sicari reference perhaps) Or the Holy Spirit quote (That is a classic)
As for this
"You're not accountable for anything you did...... boy, it's a good thing for you I didn't let you live 5 more days, because all of that murder, premarital sex, lying, and disrespect to your parents surely would have sent you to hell."
followed by
Irrelevant. A baby that dies and goes to hell has not lost anything more than a 99 year old man who dies and goes to hell. They both spend an eternity in hell.
A contradiction!
OK I will explain, you are talking about people going to hell by default and it seems to be on the basis of fatalism?
An unborn child does not even know what sin is, yet alone is culpable to the point of being burned for it. A 99 year old man has had the chance to repent. and if you are saying that this is my "ethic" no Jshua kept repeating it "The kingdom of Gd belongs to such as these" Why would he say that if "These" were going to fry? or are "these" just godly christian lebensborn stock or something?
"Oh sorry kid, you parents were rotten and they were the parents I gave you, so you must burn now, see this other kid here, ah I gave them good parents, they are going to have a nice time"
come on it does not read right does it?
So what are you saying that Jshua the law and the forfillment of the law breaks himself by acting like the people who set up the Lebensborn project? Actually worse than that?
There is the bit your chatting with Jshua seems to miss on a regular basis. You really fail to see how Gd would create something, not tell them the real deal and then cook them because he had not told them the real deal or gave them the chance to find out, all because thier genes were bad?.
If you accuse Gd of patent evil and claim that Gd founded the church and his ministry on infanticide, And dont try to dodge it by saying "I dont" from what I understand you are claiming Gd is either powerless to prevent injustice (Therefore he allows injustice on purpose) Or that he does things like found "the big plan" on infanticide.
And to be perfectly honest all those smug "I got to know, so there " types will be reading Matthew 7 v 21:23 wen Gd returns. It is by grace not fatalism that you are saved!
It has just got to me now, how people can actually relish the harsh and cruel, the very thing we call human nature. or sin?
Backhandedly this is what I am hearing, Gd is cruel and heartless (Sorry if they are oxytocin laced illogical terms) because that is the nature of Gd, as this is the only way we can understand Gd, seeing Gd through cruel human natured eyes.
All this talk of "Scriptural evidence" Where is your evidence that the translation you are using is even reliable? I use the DSS translations.
(Though I quote the KJV online).
The DSS translations do imply that children "Belong to the kingdom of Gd" according to Jshua, the Hellenic translations make that vague, why?
Well we all know why dont we.
where is your evidence that you are correct. (I will insist on proper translation I must stress).
Shalom
Sophie.
Just curious, are you either a calvinist? or a catholic?