Let me answer your last post piece by piece then
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Well I am sure there are but you have to admit that there are much more Christians who converted to Islam rather then Muslims converted to Christianity. However I would see this statistics with pleasure.
No. I can't admit that more Muslims have converted to Christianity or vice versa. You see, statistics are only about people putting their hand up and saying they are one or the other.
But still why you can’t admit that more and more people choosing Islam as a religion they are genuine or not this another point because even we can dispute are we genuine or not. As I asked why more priests choose Islam and run from “bread” but in Islam there is not a single imam who changed his religion?
Why they say it, or what they mean by it we don't know. In the Sudan today, millions are being killed because they won't revert to Islam. I refuse to call any that do Muslim converts. for only God knows who are His own. Likewise, all those so called converts during the crusades, the spanish inquistion? Were they genuine? Under the pressure of the sword anyone will call themselves anything and it would be totally inappropriate for you or I to say for certain how many genuine conversions there are.
Ok in example of Sudan you see people are being killed because they do not want to change their faith we have to pay tribute for them. They could just convert but they do not want to betray their faith. The similar thing happening in my country. Muslims who is majority are being oppressed by the atheistic government but still they do not want to abandon their religion. Contrary to this we are talking about those who is abandoning their faith intentionally and with free will. Those who preaching word of God who in logic must be much knowledgeable than we are but they rejecting what they are used to believe.
The same is true of the pressures to remain in religion because national law determines that death should be the result of leaving one religion for another.
Statistics are all over the internet, but God alone knows who are those who are actively seeking Him and have genuinely found Him amongst those statistics.
Ok look in this way what is the chance that there are more genuine in greater quantity than genuine in smaller quantity. I am sure we have the same answer.
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Well you explained very well what is genuine conversion stands for but all of you including you deliberately avoiding to call his conversion genuine. What keeps you not to admit that his conversion is genuine? Please I need strait answer for this question.
Uzbek, I don't doubt his conversion to another religion is not genuine. I am sure in his mind he believes he is following truth. But the key question you should be asking.. is not whether his decision to swap from Christianity to Islam is genuine, but whether His faith in God and His relationship with God is genuinely restored and present.
So from passage one can derive many points which one you think is genuine and which one is not?
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1.Well I did not claim that religion couldn’t help one find God. I just derive proper answer from your post. I am totally disagreeing with you. Religion is the only mean that helps us to reach God. For instance can you reach USA without plane or without ship? YES You have to swim whole ocean and if sharks will not eat you or storms will not sink you or you will be able to swim for I don’t know 10 years without food and water yes you can. But would you start your journey right now? No Same way approach to God But you have to choose proper the only one which is inevitably carry you to HIM. You have choice Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and many others You don’t know which one will bring to Heaven and which one to Hell. The same way I don’t know also. I have to just believe that my belief is the rightist one through out the reasons. Comparing with others and inviting them to my plane.
I agree with you here Uzebek, We do have many possible paths and looking around does help aid us to find the truth. We may even think we HAVE the truth. We both agree that idolatry is blasphemy, so both you and I would not look deeper into some of the religions available out there. Now, we probably also agree that not every path of religion leads to the right way, so by looking at the lives of those who founded the remaining three monotheistic religious paths, we can see a bit clearer to the truth.
Judaism is the foundation for both Christianity and Islam, but we both agree that the Jews missed the truth in front of their eyes. Christianity claims Jesus is the truth they missed and the one who makes sense of the OT. Islam claims Christianity is corrupted and makes a God out of a man.
Well Here I will not agree with you.
We are all from Abraham Islam and Muhammed is going back to Ishmael Judaism and Christianity going back to Isaac. Do you agree? Because Abraham did not claim himself in Judaism religion.
And here is one more critical point arises. The root of word Judaism is from Judah. Christianity root is from the word Christ. But Islam is not have the same root with Muhammed(pbuh) And muslims reject if one call them Muhammedanism this word is wrong.
So Judah is the founder of Judaism?
Christ is the founder of Christianity?
Buddah is the founder of Buddism?
Do not you see any similarities among these religions and their names?
Islam's founder claims to be the final prophet. He is dead, whereas the jesus of the Qur'an is still alive. It is the Jesus of the Qur'an who will come to judge all people and usher in a time of peace on the earth.
Yes Jesus is alive but who was born earlier Who preached the word of god first Who said that he is prophet first Who suffered from pagans first Jesus (pbuh) or Muhammad (pbuh)? Did people know Jesus before Muhammad(pbut)?
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2.The second point why then you claim yourself Christian if you do not need religion to approach god?
Christianity is a religion if you look at it on a world perspective and if you look at all the different denominations around, there are many who try to use religion to reach God.
But, Jesus said some pretty special things. He invited me to come and eat with Him, to see my spiritual needs satisfied in Him, to find in Him, the Way to God, The Truth about life, and to find life itself. For me, I call myself a disciple or follower of God through Jesus, not so much a Christian.
My faith is a dynamic daily experience of having God alive and living in Me, sharing my life and helping me.. teaching me and promising me eternity with Him. Why would I want to swap that for a religious system that can't offer me any of it? My response to God for all He has done for me, is to live a life of holiness, worthy of Him who I claim as being my Lord. My life must reflect what I see in the NT of Christs life. So I do religion, not to be saved, but to show my relationship to God.. just like my last post said.
Looking forward to your reply
So lets little bit correct this point.
Are you Christian or not? And we can deeper talk on this issue