Aineo wrote:Brad, once again you are playing word games and ignoring the balance of my post. Discerned and deduced are not synonymous. If you have notice my posts I don’t use the KJV so 1 John 1:7-8 in the Bibles that use the best manuscripts read:
1 John 5:7-8
7 And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 8 For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. NAS
You fail to ascertain the obvious again - you shouldn't HAVE to deduce or discern a MAJOR DOCTRINE. Over 1200 pages of bible and not one verse that clearly expresses what you claim here is "clearly taught". There's something wrong there - wake up.
As far as 1Jn.5:7 - you once again don't get my point. A verse that many Trin's (not necessarily YOU) credit with being the clearest address of the Trinity was added to the text subsequently by a nameless scribe/scribes whose agenda was, among other things, TRINITARIAN. They didn't just copy the previous manuscripts, they ALTERED or even manufactured some verses to support what they already believed per their church affiliation. Read "The Orthodox Corruption Of Scripture" (Bart Ehrman) - the bible just didn't fall out of the sky. Get a little "street smart" and keep an open mind.
If you choose to ignore what is taught in the NT because you cannot find just one verse that teaches the Trinity that is your problem not mine just like the Hebrews refused to see the suffering Messiah in the OT is their problem not mine
Let's evaluate what you just said and hopefully you will realize how ridiculous you sound -
I choose to ignore what is taught in the NT because I CANNOT FIND ONE VERSE THAT TEACHES IT?????? Well, duh...
I guess so!!!
Wrangling over words and using logic and reasoning will usually end up with false conclusion based on a preconceived ideology that refuses to think outside a box that limits true understanding
What should we use then? "Non - logic" and "lack of reasoning"? Don't you realize it is the Trinitarian who is using MASSIVE amounts of reasoning to arrive at the Trinity? How long did it take to formulate the Athanasian Creed after the NT was written? How much reasoning went into that? Answer: a LOT, albeit fradulent reasoning.
Like many concepts the concept of the Trinity is taught and understood by those with the desire to uncover and understand the "mysteries" of Scripture and closed to those who rely on human logic.