Christian/Muslim ThreadsIslamic science, is it really a miracleH20 wrote: Kai replies: To view this passage as a reference to the entire atmosphere, is speculation, as you need to look at the Koranic context on this particular issue. On what basis can you separate the seven tracts and the seven heavens? Your assumption that seven tracts refer to the earthly atmospheres is speculative, it reads elements into the text, and it simply does not consist with the context of the actual issue. Secondly, your presupposition does not even consist with the conclusion of modern science. You presuppose that there are seven levels with in the earthly atmosphere. Kai replies: I simply don’t find your interpretation correct as the scientific speculation is inconsistent in itself. First of all a range of scientist would only refer to the troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere and the thermosphere as the actual atmospheric layers. This would suggest that there are actually 4 layers rather than seven. There are however, a range of (so called) sub-spheres (so to put it). Of course including the these sub-spheres you attempt to reach the number seven, which supposedly predicts the seven layers. However, including the fullness of the atmospheric picture (at least in its supposed detailed theoretical proposition) fails bitterly in providing any credit to the Koran. The reason is clearly obvious. While the troposphere only extends 8 to 14.5 kilometres, the tropopause mainly separates the Troposphere from the Stratosphere, thus a range of scientists consider both the troposphere and the tropopause to make up the lower atmosphere. The same goes for the Stratosphere and the stratopause and the mesosphere and the mesopause. Deplorably your post excludes the Stratopause and the mesopause, which is a dishonest way to reduce the sphere to the seven presupposed layers of the atmosphere which Muslims try to read into the Koran. The next three are the ionosphere which seems to be everything but agreed upon by scientists; some would categorize it as a sub-category within the Stratosphere and the uppermost thermosphere. The last one’s are the Thermosphere and Exosphere. In other words, if we are to look at all the various spheres, we have the: 1) Troposphere 2) Tropopause 3) Stratosphere 4) Stratopause 5) Mesosphere 6) Mesopause 7) Ionosphere (one or two?) 8) Thermosphere 9) Exosphere Thus your presupposed scientific number is short by 2 or possible 3 spheres; not exactly a fulfilment of Koranic scientific prediction. To complicate the matter there are some who even consider the Ozonosphere as a layer on its own. If this is correct the atmosphere consists of ten or possibly elleven layers. To my surprise, I have even heard of 27 seven layers, if only I can remember where I read that. Personally, I believe that science has not discovered the full picture yet, and possible never will. You can do it two ways bro: 1) You can totally exclude the three pauses, which will leave you with six layers, that is one short of your personal Koranic interpretation. Or you can include all the spheres and end up with 9 spheres which are 2 spheres above the so called Koranic interpretation. Instead you make the hideous fallacy of including only one of the pauses (the tropopause) to make the number match with seven; and this is playing with your integrity bro. Clearly if you add the Tropopause your forced to (if you are honest) include the Stratopause and Mesopause as well, but no. Funny enough, even your illustrative picture, debunkes your idea, as it describes seven layers or function but excludes the Ionosphere and the Exosphere. Thus the illustration does not illustrate your proposition and rather contradicts it. H20 wrote: Kai replies: No, I think Loki effectively ripped you into pieces on that one in an earlier post. Let’s rather stay on the same line, that of cosmology. |
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