Christian/Muslim ThreadsIslamic science, is it really a miracleGreeting H2O, Classic…too bad that Muslims cannot decide how they want to order these “atmospheres” nor what they want to call them…let alone try to make them fit into the Koran… 1. Trophosphere 2. Ozonosphere 3. Stratosphere 4. Mesoshpere 5. Thermosphere 6. Ionosphere 7. Exosphere Ref: Carolyn Sheets, Robert Gardner, Samual F. Howe, ‘General Science’, Massachussetes, 1985, p. 319-322 Now...which one are you subscribing to....? Now...that you have erected your straw man argument, you are now ready to show us the one-hit wonder Koranic ayahs in which they are to be force-fed into…. But wait….let’s first see where the “seven-heaven” concept originated… 2 Enoch, or the Slavonic Apocalypse of Enoch, was written late first century C.E. in Egypt by a Jew. It survives only in late Old Slavonic manuscripts. It may have been composed originally in Aramaic or Hebrew, later being translated into Greek, and later still being translated into Old Slavonic. It is an amplification of Gen 5:21-32 (from Enoch to the Flood). Major theological themes include: (1) God created the world out of nothing (24:2); (2) seven heavens (30:2-3) and angelic hosts; (3) God created the souls of men before the foundation of the earth (23:5); (4) abodes of heaven and hell are already prepared for righteous and sinners; and (5) ethical teachings, which at times parallel those of the NT and Proverbs." ref: http://reluctant-messenger.com/enoch.htm Hmmm…not very original material….but then again, the authors of the Koran are pretty clear in the fact that they are simply imitating previous scriptures… Hence....what can you really expect from an imitator...? Hmmmm…….I guess you want to forgo the context of this abbreviated one-hit wonder ayah…..why is that, exactly….? Perhaps it is due to the fact that if you were to show the whole ayah – let alone surrounding ayahs, you would see this passage for what it is… Sura 65:12 tells us of not only seven heavens, but seven Earths as well: Allahu allathee khalaqa sabAAa samawatin wamina al-ardi mithlahunna yatanazzalu al-amru baynahunna litaAAlamoo anna Allaha AAala kulli shay-in qadeerun waanna Allaha qad ahata bikulli shay-in AAilman Allah is who created seven skies/space(s), and from the earth/Planet Earth equal/similar to them, the command/matter descends between them, to know that Allah (is) on every thing capable/able, and that Allah had comprehended/enveloped with every thing knowledge. (65:12) Perhaps, in your next post, you can reference the odds of seven more Earth’s ANYWHERE in the entire Universe… I will be waiting anxiously for this reply…
Let’s look at how these Koranically rendered layers stack up (no pun intended)… 41.9 "Do you disbelieve with who created the earth/Planet Earth in two days, and you make/put for Him equals (idols), that (is) the creations all together's/(universes') Lord. 41.10 And He made/put in it anchors/fixtures/mountains from above it, and He blessed in it, and He predestined/evaluated in it its provision in four days, straight/equal to the askers/questioners. 41.11 Then He aimed/tended to the sky/space and it is smoke/fumes, so He said to it and to the earth/Planet Earth: "You (B) come voluntarily or forcefully/involuntarily ." They (B) said: "We came obedient." 41.12 So He ordered/accomplished them (as) seven skies/space(s) in two days, and He inspired/transmitted in every/each sky/space its matter/affair/order/command, and We decorated/beautified the present world's sky/space with lights/stars and a protection/ observation , that (is) the glorious'/mighty's , the knowledgeable's predestination/ evaluation . The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 INCORRECTLY places the stars in the lowest of the Seven heavens. The Creation sequence of Sura 41:9-12 places the creation of the Seven heavens/skies/spaces, AFTER the completion of the Earth. This is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE as planetary accretion is ONLY possible AFTER star formation has occurred. 67.3 Who created seven skies/space(s) (in) stages/layers , you do not see in the merciful's creation from discrepancy/inconsistency , so return the eyesight do you see from splits/cracks/cleaves? 67.4 Then return the eyesight two times/repetitions , the eyesight returns to you diminished/humiliated and it is grieving/uncovered . 67.5 And We had decorated/beautified, the sky/space (of) the present world with lights/stars, and We made it meteorites/shooting stars for the devils, and We prepared/made ready for them the/blazing/inflamed (inferno) torture. Again…looks like the authors of the Koran want the stars to be in the lowest of the seven heavens. Yet another gaff on their behalf… But wait…..there’s more….these stars also act to deter the devils… Hmmm…..sounds like the Koran is doing a slice and dice work… 71.15 "'Do you not see, understand how God created seven skies/space(s) (in) stages/layers/plates ?'" 71.16 "'And He made/put the moon in their midst (as) a light, and He made/put the sun (as) a lamp .'" So now the moon is in the middle of the seven layers….?! Not only that, but the moon is a light…. Please show me which layer you feel the moon is sandwiched between….. So….this is your best attempt at reconciling Koranic Cosmology to modern science? How about trying to reconcile the “common” ayahs within the Koran itself before making the Koran out to be a laughing stock… The Koran cannot even copy the Holy Bible without messing things up…. Thanks… |
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