Trinity DebateMessianic Prophecies vs. the TrinityAineo, I would like to comment on how you interpret the "logos" to pre-exist in the mind of God only. I know that you are not a Modalist or Christadelphian and reject all cults, but this is a common doctrinal error found in both of those cults. I am 61 years old and like you Aineo have been studying the bible for the majority of my life and once believed that Jesus was not God until by praying daily and before and after studying the scriptures did I come to the realization of the absolute truth. The apostle John actually gives insight to the intimate loving fellowship that the Word [logos] shared with the Father, this is seen when he used the preposition [pros] in John 1:1: "and the Word was with [pros] God." The preposition [pros] "with" has a variety of meanings depending on the context it is used. When it is used in application to persons, the word [pros] is indicative of an intimate fellowship and always their distinction. Lets take a look at the examples found in John 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 5:8 [pros ton kurion] "with the Lord", Here Paul has in mind a face-to-face converse with the Lord. So we can see that [pros] is expressing the intimacy and special relationship that Children of God will experience in Heaven, with [pros] the Lord. John as with Paul conceives the fellowship between Christ the [Logos] and God the Father, not a mere thought or concept. The preposition [pros] when used with the accusative case is indicative of direction, a motion towards and is oftenly used in the New Testament to describe to be in communion and living union with, and not just being besides or near. In other words, John is telling us that the Word [logos] abode with the Father from all eternity, and was in a living communion and active relationship with Him, so contextually the Word cannot imply a concept or thought. Furthermore we find in Romans 5:1, it reads: "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God [pros ton theon] through our Lord Jesus Christ". Your hermeneutics is flawed based on the assumption that the Word is merely a concept, thought or idea existing in the mind of God . Now lets take a look at John 17:5: Jesus tells us that He had shared the glory with [para] the Father before the world was. When the preposition [para] "with" is accompanied by the dative case, it is used in reference to "persons", it represents nearness in space, besides, near from which the relationship is viewed. When Jesus said "With thine own self" [para seautoi], i.e., by the side of His Father, Jesus is praying for the complete restoration to the pre-existing fellowship and glory He enjoyed before His Incarnation (John 1:14). So as you can see, this is not speaking of His (Christ's) pre-existence in the mind of God, but an actual conscious existing with the Father at His side "with thee" [para soi]. |
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