What right do you (Loki) have to tell me what is right and what is wrong?
What right has muhammed has to tell you the same?
You are not God, you don't know what is in my heart, you do not know what I truly believe.
if you believe in the quran and your prophet, then i know what you believe in.
All you have is your own biases and you judge people without knowing them.
I judge your believes based upon what your quran and hadiths teach you... i don't need to know a neo-nazi too know what he hates or dispizes.
That is precisely why I asked Aineo to answer my question, because he seems to give feedback without incorporating his own biases.
acctually Aineo is biased against catholics. I am not.
I knew you would bring up Malcolm X. You seem to have forgotten that after he made Hajj, and he saw all the different types of people in Mecca, he realized his views of the white society were wrong, and therefore the views of the Nation of Islam. He severed his relations with them and began preaching about peace and the bonds of humanity, and for that the Nation of Islam killed him.
preaching peace is anti-islam... muhammed never preached it either. And he was killed
for being an apostate in the nation of Islam. Not because he changed his message.
Who was Martin Luther King killed by. Aineo gave me a direct answer, There is racism, especially in the Catholic branch of Christianity against people of color. I think there is a better chance of there being a black or female president of the United States then there is of there being a black pope. There is a reason images of God should not be produced.
Martin Luther King assassination was
framed upon a whiste supremacist according to the King family themselves. If the vatican wasn't in Rome but in Ghana i wouldn't expect much white people being popes either... that has more to do with demographical reasons then with racial ones. And i'm quite sure that's possible for a black man to be a pope... since i have seen no racial indications of the vatican whatsoever. Your fingerpointing at artwork is plain ridiculous... christ unlike muhammed never insulted entire ethnic groups based upon their looks.
Bukhari: V9B89N256 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he is a black African slave
whose head looks like a raisin.’”
“Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘
If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey’s.’”
[9]
Ever heard of the Willie Lynch theory? A man named Willie Lynch (where the term lynching came from) proposed a theory to keep blacks from uprising against their slave owners, and also this theory would keep them divided for centuries. Willie Lynch was diabolical, but he was smart (sad to say). He used religion to perpetuate this theory. Tell the lighter slaves they are better than the darker ones, tell all the slaves they are inadequate and not capable of god's love because they are do not look like this image of god.
Ever heard of slavery in Islam? the worst human rights problem history had to deal with! (btw do you know Sudan is the only county left that practises slavery, wich is btw islamic)
Muhammed himself owned numerous slaves
"Muhammad had many male and female slaves. He used to buy and sell them, but he purchased (more slaves) than he sold, especially after God empowered him by His message, as well as after his immigration from Mecca. He (once) sold one black slave for two. His name was Jacob al-Mudbir. His purchases of slaves were more (than he sold). He was used to renting out and hiring many slaves, but he hired more slaves than he rented out" -- [Qayyim al-Jawziyya - "Zad al-Ma'ad" (Part I, p. 160)]
speaking out against slavery is speaking out against Muhammed.
"Gentlemen, I greet you here on the bank of the James River in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and twelve. First, I shall thank you, the gentlemen of the Colony of Virginia, for bringing me here. I am here to help you solve some of your problems with slaves. Your invitation reached me on my modest plantation in the West Indies where I have experimented with some of the newest and still the oldest methods of control of slaves.
Ancient Rome would envy us if my program were implemented. As our boat sailed south on the James River, named for our illustrious King, whose version of the Bible we cherish. I saw enough to know that your problem is not unique. While Rome used cords of woods as crosses for standing human bodies along its highways in great numbers you are here using the tree and the rope on occasion.
I caught the whiff of a dead slave hanging from a tree a couple of miles back. You are not only losing a valuable stock by hangings, you are having uprisings, slaves are running away, your crops are sometimes left in the fields too long for maximum profit, you suffer occasional fires, your animals are killed.
Gentlemen, you know what your problems are: I do not need to elaborate. I am not here to enumerate your problems, I am here to introduce you to a method of solving them. In my bag here, I have a fool proof method for controlling your Black slaves. I guarantee everyone of you that if installed correctly it will control the slaves for at least 300 hundred years. My method is simple. Any member of your family or your overseer can use it.
I have outlined a number of differences among the slaves: and I take these differences and make them bigger. I use fear, distrust, and envy for control purposes. These methods have worked on my modest plantation in the West Indies and it will work throughout the South. Take this simple little list of differences, and think about them.
On top of my list is "Age", but it is there only because it starts with an "A": the second is "Color" or shade, there is intelligence, size, sex, size of plantations, status on plantation, attitude of owners, whether the slave live in the valley, on hill, East, West, North, South, have fine hair, coarse hair, or is tall or short. Now that you have a list of differences. I shall give you an outline of action-but before that I shall assure you that distrust is stronger than trust and envy is stronger than adulation, respect, or admiration.
The Black slave after receiving this indoctrination shall carry on and will become self re-fueling and self generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands. Don't forget you must pitch the old Black male vs. the young Black male, and the young Black male against the old Black male. You must use the dark skin slaves vs. the light skin slaves and the light skin slaves vs. the dark skin slaves. You must use the female vs. the male, and the male vs. the female. You must also have your white servants and overseers distrust all Blacks, but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us. They must love, respect and trust only us.
Gentlemen, these kits are your keys to control. Use them. Have your wives and children use them, never miss an opportunity. If used intensely for one year, the slaves themselves will remain perpetually distrustful. Thank you, gentlemen."
Willie Lynch is unknown to me... i'm a european and that man only had influence on the southern part of the US. I don't know every countries bad man and i don't generalize one man for the entire christian believes. Unless he is Jesus Christ himself.
I am tired of being attacked for my faith. If Christians want people to join them, they sure don't do it in a kind and welcoming way. Islam is not a barbarous religion, and prophet Muhammad is not a barbarian. He did not go around killing people to spread Islam. He fought against those who fought against Muslims, we cannot strike first, but we are to fight if we are being persecuted.
lol, best thing i heard all day.
Islam is not barbaric?
"Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful" [5]
"The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allâh, if you believe in Allâh and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allâh's Law)." [24]
If these laws aren't barbaric, then what is?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4295111.stm
he did not go around killing people to spread Islam??
Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam , humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Try researching your religion for once
The people of Mecca did not believe in prophet Muhammad's message, so they sought to destroy him. He was speaking out against their idols, and he was destroying their way of life because the idols brought business into Mecca and made them wealthy. People would c ome from all over to worship the idols and to trade with the Meccans. There were two classes, the very rich and the very poor. The prophet eliminated this class distinction, which led to war.
The people of Mecca did not believe Muhammed was a prophet, because he was a ridiculous ranting madman just as how hiw own tribe of the Qurash received him. Only when Muhammed came to power he enforced Islam on people... killing those who criticized him or the religion and extorting other religions with taxes and less rights for not being a muslim. And if Muhammed believed their was no compulsion in religion he could of at least made another kaaba and let the idols be moved to their, for the pagans. Yet he destroyed their religion and killed everyone of them in a mass genocide.
Durin the prophet's lifetime there were not many Muslims, however after his death Islam spread and an astounding speed. Only in Arabia did war occur in regards to the spread of Islam. Islam did not coerce people to convert. Many continued to remain Jews and Christians and to this day important communities of the followers of these faiths are found in Muslim lands.
after Muhammed's dead, the four caliphates went conquering weak nations at a stable speed. Tell your story right, the Indian war was probably the most bloody and biggest genocide in human history, the minute the muslims embark upon Indian soil all indian art, science and culture seizes to excist. Same thing with the Persians and the zoroastrian faith, byzantine and spanish art.
The following are excerpts from the Persian Emperor Yazdgird III of Sasanid in 632 AD - 651 AD in responce to Omar Ibn Al Khatab Khalifat Al-Muslemin letter who demanded conversion or a war instead.
"You behead God's children, even the Prisoners of War, Rape Women, bury your daughters alive, attack the Caravans, mass murder, kidnap people's wives & steal their property! Your hearts are made of stone, we condemn all these Evil which you do. How can you teach us Godly Ways when you commit these actions?
yet you in the name of Allah invade other men's land! You mass murder the people, create famine, fear & poverty for others, you create Evil in the name of Allah. who is responsible for all this catastrophe? Is it Allah who commands you to murder, pillage & to destroy? Is it you the followers of Allah who do this in his name? Or is it both?
With all your military campaigns, barbarianism, murder & pillage in the name of Allah O Akbar, what have you taught to this Muslim Army? What knowledge have you taught the Muslim that you also insist on teaching it to non Muslim? What culture have you learned from your Allah, now that you want to force-teach it to others?
I forbid you to let your band of thieves loose in our fertile lands, civilized cities & our glorious nation. Don't turn these "beasts with hearts of stone" loose, to mass murder our people, kidnap our women & children, rape our wives & send our daughters to Mecca as slaves! Don't let them do these crimes in the name of Allah O Akbar, put a stop to your criminal behavior"
the entire letter can be found here
http://www.persiandna.com/download/pdf/m3.pdf
The Influence of Christianity has touched all parts of the world, this world is primarily a Christian world. People such as the Indians, both Native Americans and South American, the Africans, the Ethiopains and so many more. I find it ironic that the Africans were forced to covert to Christianity when they were brought to (many of them were Muslims) but yet to this day still find themselves discriminated against by fellow Christians who are supposed to be their brothers! Hundred of thousands of American?Indians are Christians today because the Christian missionaries converted their ancestors against their will.
Missions are when jesuits go across the world to set up educational systems, build towns for them, teach them too survive, etc... and teach the bible with it. When Muslims encoutered the vast lands of Spain, France, Africa, etc... they came to conquer and behead anyone who didn't bow to the prophet of the sword.
In Europe, it was the same thing. When Rome controlled most of the world, the Roman Emperor, Constantine, in 325 CE forced Christianity onto his subjects.
No more then he forced pagan emperors forced paganism on the people, Emperors like Marcus Aurelius and many others were known for persecuting christians. Yet on a side note, tolerate all religions that was under colonial rule. Same thing with Constantine.
The people of Lithuania did not become Christians because they read the Gospels and decided to accept their teachings. On the contrary, the people of Lithuania were forced into Christianity against their will, as a result of relentless military force! And there are constant accusations against Islam!
speak for yourself you want me to namedrop Persia, Spain, Byzantium, Indian Pakistan???
Jews had to endure the sword too. Millions of Jews from the fourth century CE until the 20th Century were forced to “kiss the sword” of Christ, or be put to death by that sword. So very many Jews have died at the hands of Christians in the name of Jesus. However, many Jews managed to survive. They survived by lying unfortunately. They converted, but secretly remained Jews. The Christian Church finally realized what was happening and in 1492, the Spanish Inquisition tried to purge the country of these “Secret” Jews, called Marranos.
the 20th century was done by a ruler from a secularist state who was a nietzschian darwinist. and can hardly be called christian by it's actions. Again did christ ever kill people or commanded others to kill?
Jesus is our Al insan el kamil, i despize ANYONE who kills, merely because i believe in Christ. You cannot despize muhammed his killings or the killings made by the first four noble caliphates... merely because you are a muslim and you LOVE muhammed his rapes and killings merely because you think these ACTIONS brought something HOLY... well my friend tell that to muhammed's victims!
Why just yesterday I saw on Oprah, Kurt Franklin a famous gospel singer was admitting his addiction to porn. Here is a Christian man, who makes a living singing praises to God, yet he is addicted to pron and cheats on his wife,...oh the irony!
who is kurt franklin? and why should i need to defend him? a few years ago i saw a man with a turban ordering the killing of more then three thousand innocent americans in the back. Here is a muslim man, praying facing the ka'aba each friday, and killing thousands... oh no irony, this is islam!
In regards to the persecution of Muslims in Iraq and the Middle East...why is a whole country being attacked for something done by individuals? Al-Qaida is a non-state associated organization. Just because they could possibly be In Iraq does not mean the whole country supports terrorism. Al-Qaida is independent, it does not belong to a country, it is a group of radical insane people doing what they think is right according to their warped and twisted minds.
Saddam Hussein was the main problem end of story, that's where everything revolved around, he attacked 2 of it's neighbouring countries allready, provoced war with israel by firing scuds at tel aviv, systematiclly genocided the kurds and his own people, tortured at random, played cat and mouse with the UN and the oil for food programma, did mass xenophobic anti-jewish anti-american propaganda and made WMD on occasional basis.
If these weren't enough reasons to see Iraq as a threat, then the US shouldn't of helped the muslims in Serbia against Milosovich either... cause Milosovich also wasn't the US his problem. Neither did Serbia ever attack the US to begin with.
This war could of ended long ago, if those fundemental muslims would stop fueling it everytime by killing their own people. Merely because they are brainwashed into being too proud to have a infidel liberator.
Some of the most diabolocal schemes have been acted out in the name of Christianity, the aparteheid oppression of black South Africans, the slave trade and the en-slavement of Africans in the U.S., The rape of hundreds of slave women that led to the creation of the "mulatto" race, the burning and killing of innocent women in Salem, MA (The Salem witch trials) The extermination of the Native Americans (labled Manifest Destiny) in order to for white Christian Americans to occupy all of the United States, Hitler and the Germans extinction of the jews to create this white "aryan" society of blue-eyed blond haired people which was the image of Jesus (peace be upon him) promoted at that time, The Christian Inquisition, The molestation of children by priests, The KKK's burning of crosses of the yards of black people and the killiing of many others, The Mary Magdalen asylums that held innocent girls for crimes such as being raped, the segragation and mistreatment of blacks less than 50 years ago, and many more accounts. It astounds me that there are still African American Christians today.
and all are dispized by christians, because this is by conundrum seen as unchristian actions... when will you see the rapes commanded by muhammed as something wrong? his pedophelia with aisha? his persecutions of religions? and his wars for booty?
yet you cannot!! therefore since you glorify a perverted dictator... how can you judge others? you don't have the authority!
Christians don't even treat other Christians well, so I don't know how one can expect a Christian to treat a non-Christian with humillity and understanding such as the teachings of Jesus. Of course in order to defend them selves against these atrocities commited by other Christians they say, "They are not Christians, they did not follow the true teachings of Jesus Christ and the bible." Well, these people who did grevious wrongdoing did truly believe that they were Christians.
yeah and some people truly believe they are God too, but that doesn't make them God does it?
I do not believe Christianity is wrong or false, but I believe it is a different interpretation of what we believe, but the principles Muslims and Christians abide by are similar.
you are insulting christianity now
Christians are people of the book, so they should be able to understand Muslims more than any other persons on earth, but yet we have this need to point fingers and say who is wrong and who is right. Only GOD can judge us and tell us what is wrong and what is right.
i'll wait till you know God
Please read this article written by a Christian woman, who has seen the truth that Muslims and Christians should not be warring with each other.
Bush-Voting Christians
Have Lost Their Souls
America Is Lost
By Leslie Bell
11-3-4
secular politics has nothing to do with christianity... because it's secular muslims, atheists, sikhs, etc... also voted for Bush.
So if one muslim voted on Bush, then all muslims should be considered for the same bombings on iraq as well.
And neither is Iraq-US supported by all christians, all over the world were protest marches (even disagreeance by the pope) but as well as supporters for Bush. Remember Christianity is a global religion, not a US only religion.