Christian/Muslim ThreadsWhat did Jesus look like?You want to ask us questions that attempt to criticize christianity, but not have your faith criticized in return? I am afraid a debate forum doesn't work like that. If you believe your faith holds the onus on truth, you will never tire of defending it, I suspect you are tired because you know you cannot defend it, because despite the semantic word play, the irrelevant red herring of regurgitating treatments performed by so called christians that shamed the teachings of Christ they propose to serve, also known as the fallacy of tu quoque, you forget that christianity can easily show these behaviour as contrary to the teachings of Christ, by looking at what our religious book says, you cannot do the same with your religion, well you can but it only confirms what is being shown to you, the slavery that has been going on for 1400 yrs,( islam is the only religion that is making slaves of blacks in Sudan) the misogyny, persecution of non muslims is sanctioned and ratified by your book, you cannot escape this, you may sugar coat it all that islam is pure and good, when it is obvious to the most objective of people that you are not reading what your religious book is saying, i.e you are doing what embarassed western muslims the world over do all the time, cut the hand that feeds them, reinterpret and even deny the koran to save face (apparently it is ok to lie in your religion what does that tell you?) The muslims in the west represent less than 5% of the entire muslim ummah, this 5% stress that islam is peace and claim the radicals represent a fringe minority, but the problem is where do the 95% stand on this? this is the problem around islamic apologetics, this is the noose around westernised islam, there is a thing in islam called iman, in islam it is like a group huddled around a fire, those closer to the fire feel the heat of the fire the most, those farthest feel the heat the least, the fanatics are close to the fire and fanatical because they feel the heat of the fire the most, their iman is strong, the muslims in the west on the other hand, making friends with christians and jews, following the laws of christians and jews, doing all this because their iman is weak, the more fervent you are in the religion the more radical you are, the religion demands it, deep down the muslims in the west know they do not represent true islam, they do not tackle the fanatics in a debate over representation because they cannot hold a candle up to them, so they play sleight of hand explaining it to ignorant westerners, and even within this 5% (bear in mind the 5% also includes groups openly recognised as apostates such as the ahmadiyya movement, the nation of islam, and the sufis) they are discerning voices, radical voices, siding with the fanatical muslims in Indonesia( which a few weeks ago beheaded three teenage girls, ordinary crime you say? except their crime was they were christians) Bali (two bombings so far, the purpose??) Iraq (numerous suicide bombings against shia, sunnis and anybody for that matter), Nigeria (where shariah law is being forcely imposed on christians), Palestine (suicide bombing after suicide bombing with no cessation despite numerous treaties), Iran (where the president openly stated Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth!), Saudi (suicide bombing and fanatical wahabism), India (suicide bombings even within the humanitarian effort after the recent earth quake) not to mention Pakistan, Kashmir, Afghanistan, Russia, Turkey, Eastern block, the rapes of non muslim women in Denmark, Norway, Finland, Italy, France, Germany, the list goes on, but ofcourse these people are just a fringe group they never ever represent true islam!, then for the life of me where on earth are they getting the basis of their behaviour from??? Can you answer? knowing you cannot defend your religion with your religious text but copying and pasting irrelevant 'christian' crimes that have no basis with the bible. I find the majority of muslims normally say this when they realise they are in a cul de sac, and have been shown just how shameful their religion really is to think it emanates from God. I will call it as I see it, you want us to be kind and welcoming to a faith that inherently demands our subservience or extermination by hook or by crook, you want us to say "peace be upon him" to a recognised pedophile that slept with a 9 yr old girl who had not started menarche at age 53?. You want us to say "peace be upon him" to a rapist that decapitated the head of a husband of one of his rape victims, killed her father, killed her uncle, wiped out her entire family and sent out her female relatives for a similar fate with his mujaheddin to practice coitus interruptus with; and his followes sugar coat it all that she 'happily' slept with and married him, do sane people happily go to bed with the murderer of their husband, brother, uncle and entire family ALL ON THE SAME DAY?? without even so much as letting her mourn for her ethnically cleansed family for even one day. Then I have to wonder which planet you live in, islam is without a shadow of a doubt the most barbaric excuse for a religion in the last 1400 years, even the zoroastrians complained about the barbarity of muslims that came to rape their women and steal their goods (during the first years of islam, nothing whatsoever to do with misinterpretation because these were the very followers of Mohammed), 90% of all the conflicts on this planet have to do with your religion, either wanting islamic rule or biting the hand that feeds them in the west because they cannot integrate as their imams and mullahs have told them to steer clear of the corrupt kafir, so now french muslims go about killing people, looting shops and burning cars, because they can't speak the language and refuse to integrate and wonder why they are unemployed, let me guess the killings of innocent children in Beslan because the muslims there want a caliphate, the killings of innocent people in Bali because muslims are alledgedly suffering in Iraq (caused by their fellow muslims), the bombings of innocent civilians in Madrid because muslims are alledgedly suffering in Iraq (caused by their fellow muslims), the bombings of innocent commuters in London because muslims are alledgedly suffering in Iraq (caused by their fellow muslims), the numerous suicide bombings of jewish men, pregnant women and innocent children because Mohammed said there shouldn't be a jew in arabia, has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your religion of peace? This is exactly what he did, he sent letters to kings, emperors and viceregents to accept him as a prophet and start paying "protection money" or else he would attack them, please read your religion, I really wish muslims would read the context of those verses they regurgitate from roté with no understanding of what they mean, as stated in the hadiths of Bukhari, of Muslim, or Abu Dawod, of Malik, of IShaq in the Sirat Rasullah, of Tabari, even your koran says you must conduct jihad on those that refuse to become muslims, it says: Notice the assurance of safety to the pagan is only guaranteed if he converts to islam. Read the tafsirs of these verses as understood by the early muslims you will see the jews and christians and all other non muslims are regarded as pagans, those tafsirs are clear all previous peaceful mention of jews and christians have been abrogated by that verse. Pls tell us how is a muslim meant to interpret said verse? which is meant to be the words of God written before the foundation of the earth, applicable for all time and resonant for all eternity.
The more I hear this incredulous lie, the more I have to wonder if muslims in the west ever read the religion for themselves, show me who attacked MOhammed first, show me the context of who in the entire history of islam ever attacked MOhammed first, the first 1000 years of islam is notorious for islamic instigated wars against non believers or infighting. Please tell me in what language of self defence involves the kaffir to "pay the jizya in humuliation and feel themselves humbled", it is self defence to have your 'attacker' pay you protection money? Pls show me who persecuted Mohammed and the early muslims? this would involve you having to read the very context of those alledge 'persecutions' who is persecuting the muslims in Iraq? who is killing them via road bombs, car bombs, suicide bombs? who? Tell you what, bring me one context from the hadiths that alledges what you claim, and we will see just how much you are willing to lie, Mohammed was wanted by the authorities for stealing caravans and for murder, you break the law in any civilised society you deserve to be punished, it is a testament to the civility of the pagans that they tried to impose the law, there was a warrant out for Mohammed for stealing caravans and for murder, this is why he ran away (aka the hijra) the Meccan pagans contrary to what you are saying were peaceful people and this is what the context from your religion says, nobody spilled blood in Mecca this is what the quraish practiced, the only person who spilled blood in Mecca was Mohammed, the meccans simply laughed at Mohammed for his ridiculous plagiarism of a religion, the koran says they had heard those same biblical stories in the koran before, they began to take him seriously when he started breaking the law. The phrase "remove the log from your eye before you remove the beam from others" just about sums up every single islamic apologetic I have met, it is the reasons why you don't want us to critique your religion, you are basically accusing christianity of what your religion is openly practicing, for every noose around the neck of a christian a milestone can equally go around the neck of a muslim, maybe you haven't heard of the saudis that spend their vacation in las vegas gambling casinos, or the islamic youths profilerated through almost every nightclub in europe drinking, smoking and committing fornication and adultery then going to the masjid on fridays. From the temper tantrums being shown on this forum by some of the WESTERNIZED muslims it is clear muslims are not used to having their faith questioned, you would like to ask us questions but not answer any questions in return, then why are you in a debate forum?. I am well aware that an "intellectual discussion" for a muslim means you sit back and let him tell you the truth on why you must follow hadith, or why you must bow down five times a day in the direction of the ka'ba, or why ramadan is on so and so month, it hardly leaves the scope as to why islam could be right or wrong, the religion has a mind control fail safe mechanism to declare someone an apostate for asking questions that queries the validity of the faith itself. In an objective environment you don't ask questions and feel yourself unquestionable, especially when those questions contradict and blasphemes your own faith, nobody likes to take advice from a hypocrite, it is the same questions the church fathers asked their accusers, it is the same question Jesus asked the pharisees that came to stone the woman caught in adultery, accusing people of the very same thing you are guilty of, you don't tell us our religion is corrupt when your religous text tells you to verify with the people of the book what your religion says, and tells you implicitly that the books of the people of the book is not corrupt. You don't expect us to believe a prophet without a prophecy to his name frothing at the mouth in an epileptic fit, raping women after killing their husbands, stealing from and killing innocent people, contradicting the laws of Christ, sleeping with a 9 yr old girl who had not reached puberty which is the reason fistulla vestulla is on the rampage in islamic african countries where little pre-puberty girls are given in marriage, become pregnant and are unable to deliver as their bodies have obviously not developed fully, leading to uncontrollable leakage of urine from their private part is speaking on behalf of God, this is an insult. Then I am afraid you are either lying with the oxymoron statement above or do not understand what either religion says. Christianity is explicit that God has a Son, who died for our sins, and that only through Him can man be saved. Islam on the other hand is clear that God does not have a Son, does not even state a blood atonement, and says Jesus never died. Your religion denies the tenents of our faith, it is not a different interpretation it is complete polar opposites, it is as anti-christian as it can get. Your entire post falls under the standard islamic tu quoque logical fallacy, the treatment by alledge 'christians' contradicts the commandments of Christ, this is obvious to anybody who reads the bible, on the other hand, the suicide bombers, the misogynists, the limb choppers, the head sawers, the church burners, the jew haters are all synonymous with what your religion states, those that disagree are themselves declared apostates and likely to be persecuted in the real islamic world, many muslims in the west would find this out if they dared to practice their diluted version of islam in the Middle east. |
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