Christian/Muslim ThreadsContradictions in the Quranacctually i see the importance of miracles and prophecies as external witnessess of his message to be indications of a higher power. miracles are a decisive factor... not the ultimate reason to submit... and not the only one either, yet allthou you may dispute the miracles (like the jews did calling it demonic or how the anti christ will use miracles as well to deceive) it still has more decivive factors in the prophet's advantage if he has UNDISPUTED (as in by science) miracles to show... then a man who commes empty handed claiming the same divinity.
It does, people where healed if they believed in Jesus... the blind man was asked if he believed in the Son of God, and the woman was healed for touching Jesus' robe and was healed because of her faith. and all miracles are things that transgress nature. mir·a·cle (mr-kl) KEY NOUN: An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry?id=m0325000 a book and some ink on it, is not a miracle... if that would be the case, then i can do miracles too
True, but they were really shown miracles and they still doubted... Jesus also emphasized this to the apostles regarding their small beliefs in trying to do an exorcism "after all you have seen, you still have that little faith?" again miracles is not the only reason eithers... but it's a very decisive factor... as how miracles where things that spread Jesus name troughout Israel, how he converted entire masses of people by doing supernatural events. Does that mean to you, merely because it doesn't always convince everybody miracles are not neccerary to proof prophethood? And alot of prophets brought a Message... do i need to name drop all prophets who brought a Message? Prophet Manes, Prophet Joseph Smith, Prophet Akhenaton, Prophet Nanak, Prophet Baha'u'llah, Prophet Charles Manson, etc... What seperates muhammed from them?? nothing ! then why are they seen as lesser prophets? or their Messages as lesser truth? And The Message of Islam is a very rotten message, The Bible has to be ignored or corrupted to be used to justify terrorism. The Qur'an has to be ignored or corrupted to keep one from being a terrorist. Exposing Christ's message and life pleases Christians; it doesn't embarrass them. But Muhammad was an entirely different sort of man. acctualy i, like any other person has a soft spot for claims of the supernatural... and i have done my studies in the occult as well, and have seen how dark forces rule unknowningly in our lifes and how satan's legion is to be taken very spiritual and literally in my opinion. I also have seen that you as in wich ever other thing you study need to firm research from those that are against it as well. If you see Uri Geller bending spoons i advise you to read the amazing James Randi, or when you see James Van Praagh speaking to the dead on Larry King i advise you to read about 'cold reading'... i am a very sceptic person when it commes down to miracles and i am intrigued because the truth is mixed with the quacks. The catholics (what i like them before, above protestants) invest claims of miracles with science... and if all scientific and psycholigical explenations are ruled out for describing the event, only then it is seen as a miracle... Doubting Thomas also was a sceptic... maybe i am a bit like him, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."... and Jesus showed it too him. If a prophet comes on earth and does miracles, he will need to baffle science in order to win my vote... if he were a prophet of God he wouldn't have no problem doing that and wouldn't turn away from the request. acctually the ressurection in of Christ was very decisive at the time for the Apostles it was a self fullfilling prophecy and miracle proving and confirming that every word of his message was truth... before that the apostles were scattered and hiding like cowards in fear of repercussions by the Jews. When they saw Jesus ressurected and saw him it changed them completly... from cowardly apostles to brave and faithfull apostles who preaced and spread the message untill they were martyred the most cruel dead. isn't rationalisation a good thing? and for sure the prophecies are not (interpreted to desire) more then 100 prophecies are about Jesus, and fit the picture, that is overwhelming! Even Jews sometimes completly skip the part of Isaiah Isaiah 53 1 Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? 2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. 3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. 8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. 9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. 11 After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Tell me how such a detailed prophecy can be fit to interpretation? (and that's only one of many) it's not like how your mullah's try doing with ripping the bible from it's context, claiming a prophecy about the levitians to muhammed or making muhammed the holy spirit(God). Doesn't matter if muhammed came today, he would be seen as the next best megalomaniac dictator... and a giant threat to world peace. Muhammed: Bukhari:V4B53N412 “Allah’s Apostle said on the day of the conquest of Mecca, ‘There is no migration now, only Jihad, holy battle. And when you are called for Jihad, you should come out at once.’” Hitler: the morning he invaded Poland: “There is no more emigration now, only war.” Muhammed: Muslim:C9B1N33 “The Prophet said: ‘I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.’” Leopold 2: "first threat them gently and with respect - and if then they do not pay taxes (jizyah), then use force" how Leopold II ruled Congo Muhammed: “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.” Qur’an 8:39 Joseph Stalin: "If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves." Your prophet is speaking in accordance with the greatest monsters of human history.... nice al-insan al-kamil you got their my friend. how would you follow a prophet who sleeps with a 9 year old? steals the wife from his son? kills a little slave girl for laughing at him? makes up the rule for only having 4 wifes and then in the next breath breakes it by marrying another? womanizing, killing all dogs in the arabian pensulina, decapitating unbelievers, stoning adultresses, amputating the thiefs hands, forcing his peacefull believers to make war... contradicting himself all the time, blaspheming and making war with the other religions and still claiming to be tolerant. The five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources don't portray Muhammad as a great and godly man. They confirm that he was a thief, liar, assassin, mass murderer, terrorist, warmonger, and an unrestrained sexual pervert engaged in pedophilia, incest, and rape. He authorized deception, assassinations, torture, slavery, and genocide. I guess maybe the Taliban regime was pure Islam after all. how do you know that he comes from God? that is the only firm question i asked every muslim !! and not one can answer it !!! isn't that embarassing?! |
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