Aineo wrote: Pulling a partial statement from a post does not prove your point. As to the Trinity I am correct per Scripture and centuries of teaching by men filled with the Holy Spirit
Please identify these men and prove they were filled with the Holy Spirit. Also show how all men who were not Trinitarians were NOT filled with the Holy Spirit.
You can try to use semantics to prove anything, but when semantics can be used by both sides to reach differing conclusions then semantics becomes an exercise in futility
Please explain what you mean by "semantics" - the definition I have is "the meaning of language" - fairly important I'd say?
That is when understanding God's word becomes necessary. So far all you have done is harp on one or two words used to communicate concepts.
By now I hope most unbiased readers of these posts will realize that your constant "harping" about semantics is just you pushing the "escape button" on the discussion. Now you accuse me of harping on one or 2 words like this is so trivial on my part. The words in question are "one" and "person/persons", the understanding of which is CRUCIAL to the issue. Why do you choose words which you claim are for the purpose of "communicating concepts" if they DON'T?
I will wait patiently for you to provide definitions of these words (in relation to the Godhead subject) and then, once the correct concepts involved have been defined to your approval, we can apply them and see if they are self-contradictory or not.
Once again and maybe this time you will read with comprehension. The Trinity is a revealed doctrine found in the OT and fully expressed in the NT. If you want a single verse that states that God is 3 in 1, there isn't one.
So the Trinity is a "revealed doctrine" in the OT, although the Jews, the ONLY nation that God had revealed himself to at that time, knew NOTHING of it, and the Trinity is "fully expressed" in the NT, although you agree THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE VERSE IN THE NT THAT STATES THAT GOD IS 3 IN ONE?
Seems like an incredible oversight on God's part? Perhaps there were originally a lot of footnotes that went with the scriptures that were somehow lost?
What is logical about God becoming a man and then dying on a cross?
Nothing - cause it's not true.
By simple logic Jesus is not God since God cannot die,
Correct.
however the main theme of John’s Gospel is the divinity of Jesus Christ Paul writes that Jesus created the world and in Proverbs we are told that Jesus was with the Father before creation. You can use logic all you want but you will only come to a false conclusion.
These assertions are easily explained without making Jesus the 2nd person of an eternal Triad. I can give you the web address for the studies but will you take the time to read them or is your mind already made up? If you read 1/10th as much non-Trinitarian material as you have Trinitarian authors you might discover something - but this is all a dangerous proposition for those who may be afraid to find out they have been duped?
1 Corinthians 1:18-19
18 For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written,
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside." NAS
1 Corinthians 1:20-25
21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For indeed Jews ask for signs, and Greeks search for wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness, 24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. NAS
1 Corinthians 2:14-16
14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no man. 16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ. NAS
1 Corinthians 3:19-23
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, "He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness"; 20 and again, "The Lord knows the reasonings of the wise, that they are useless." 21 So then let no one boast in men. For all things belong to you, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come; all things belong to you, 23 and you belong to Christ; and Christ belongs to God. NAS
I will accept the foolishness of God over the wisdom (logic) of men any day of the week.[/quote]
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Yes of course, and I could simply apply these quotes to YOU...what have you proven? If you really want to find out what the "wisdom of this world" is, take into account all the non-biblical terminology that the "wise" of this world have had to develop to substantiate the Trinity, all the counsels that were needed to decide on it, and all the unfortunates that were subsequently put to death because they were apparently not "wise" enough to receive it.