Science, Creation & EvolutionInteresting discussion from Steven Jones on leaving theHow else can we define evidence other than our own capabilities of the five senses and reason? Objective evidence is something that can be verified by many people so we know it isn't in our head. If we're all taught what an orange is (or what we call it anyway), then you could throw one in the middle of the ball field and everyone going up to look at it would see an orange. Since there are no general reports around the world of objects just "changing" form all of a sudden like an orange into a grape, then we rightly assume that the THEORY that objects remain what they are unless physically altered, to be fact. No? Are you suggesting that our abilities to DISCERN things are too unreliable? Then you are starting a whole new ball game. It's meant to be cold. It has no place for emotion. It's a pretty simple method to determine truth from the world around us. It is LITERALLY the best method we have. It's the only method that can be independently verified by another human being. That doesn't mean it can't be fascinating or beautiful however. It just lacks MEANING to people who are holding it up to the standards of a religion. Science doesn't exist for the purpose of making people feel good. It's simply a tool of observation, and verification. That's it. It can answer the "how" of things, but the question "why" is in some contexts not a question science concerns itself about. Why are we the third planet from the sun? Why isn't the universe set up so the fourth planet would be ideal for life? Why isn't the sun twice as big and our planet a different distance? Why do dogs bark and cows moo? These are questions that are philosophical. Science doesn't answer them and has no interest in doing so because they CAN'T. This kind of "why" question assumes there is a REASON for the motivation behind something being the way it is. That's where philosophy and religion come into play. If people could truly learn to draw the line where it belongs and stop trying to bring opposing modalities into areas where they aren't compatible, then we would have less arguments between religion and science. And this is completely opposite to the truth. Science has EVERY room for questioning. They never stop. Science is NEVER considered to be complete . It can be content with what they know at the TIME, but it's never satisfied. More answers lead to more questions. Aineo, The statement that you believe science is rigid in their mindset, is exposing your feeling that you obviously think of science as a system of beliefs instead of theories with evidence supporting them better than any others that are presented. You are doing a disservice to what science really is and the rules they follow. Some rogue scientists out there can certainly be brought up as examples of not following good science, (and that's why they are debunked and ignored), but the major players, the major associations, they all hold to the high standard of good science. Organizations like NASA are an excellent example as to the necessity of science to be workable. They would not be able to do ANYTHING related to space travel without needing the scientific principles to be rock-solid or death for astronauts, and billions of dollars down the drain would be the result. This is the proof in the pudding of science being correct in their theories that are bourne out by testing. True science is not flawed Aineo. It is literally the best truth we can experience that is both trustworty, and willing to be expanded by anything new that adds to or shoots down a theory. I hope you truly see this and just do your best to verify the INDIVIDUAL and their use or misuse of science. Be sure they are REALLY holding up the the true rules before you agree or disagree with someone. And for the record, religious thought is totally guilty of what you were accusing science of being. It has little room for "questioning" at all. Biblical inerrists like yourself START with the conclusion that the Bible must be true in all things, and then try to make the facts fit the theory. Absolutely backwards to science. |
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