Homosexual Discussion ForumGod and gaysI never stated that God was going to give Man a choice between a Man and a Woman. I stated that God gave Man the ability to choose who his partner was going to be; I stated it was first animals, then a woman. And man chose a woman. Of course, thank you for asking. The New Interpreter's Bible's commentary on Genesis (written by T.E. Fretheim), helps me out by parsing out what is being said and looked for. God is seeing that the man is alone, and that is "not good." So God will make Man a helper. The word for "helper" does not mean "partner for procreation" but a literal "helper" (the same hebrew word is used even in reference to God in Psalm 121:1-2, who clearly does not procreate). God "brings" the animals (the same hebrew word used to "bring" the animals into the Ark in 6:19) before man, then later "brings" the Woman before Man. It makes no sense for a God who delegates responsibility to a Man to name the animals to once again jump into the foreground and declare that Man must choose Woman; God, without qualification, accepts the names Man gives to animals, and, without qualification, accepts the choice Man makes of Woman. The text literally points to this conclusion: that Man chose Woman, clearly, but Man made the choice when God presented Man with the option. Thus, humans have a choice, and are not under a divine mandate for a Man to choose a Woman. Haha, actually, someone beat me to it: Genesis 2 contradicts Genesis 1 I take Genesis 1-2:3 as one story of Creation, and Genesis 2:4-25 is another take on the story of creation. They are slightly different in structure and content (Elohim used instead of Yahweh, humans created in different days, man&woman created simultaneously, the original human as a male/female equal, to name a few). I don't see it as a parallel or building upon of the original creation story, but I do see it as a valid story about Creation that intends to tell us some things about Creation the first story left out. It's interesting that you place it after the 6th day, when 2:5-6 clearly indicate that there is no vegetation on the ground (thus placing the narrative around the third day, which is the last time water is mentioned. Man is created before vegetation also (or at leas the specific vegetation in the Garden). For the rest of my response, see above. Don't they live under the bridges of the information superhighway? That would be neat to see! Yes, I do. From my own forum: "repeated negative comments across discussions that do not contribute to the discussion with content." I respect this must be in reference to my post; the PM function does not seem to work. Can you please send me a PM, or give me some way to contact you privately so that our discussion about extraneous issues of behavior and conduct does not distract from our much-more-relevant dicussion? Thank you for allowing this discussion to take place, though we both have peripheral concerns about how it takes place. |
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