Eh ! I come back to a war zone . Shhhhhh what are you doing ? Brother you are Muslim and I am to support and to correct you if you do wrong. It seem you have went over the boundaries here and else where. Alllaah strickly sets up guidlines for us for when debating with the people of the book. We are to debate with them with Wisdom and beautiful preaching except for those of them who transgress but we are not to transgress.
O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do. 4:135
Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. 16:126
As to those who ridicule disrespect the signs of Alllaah such as the Quran or Muhammad :
Already has He sent you word in the Book, that when ye hear the Signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the Hypocrites and those who defy Faith, all in Hell. 4:140
When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our Signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong. 6:68
This is a good case of how to ignore them
This also goes for the rest of the Christians on this forum if you see us take the course of ignoring some of your statements.
Kai wrote:I think you have seriously misunderstood the concept and nature of Christianity
No, I think you have seriously miunderstood the concept and nature of Islam.
Kai wrote:First of all, there is no mention or concept in the New Testament on Christian countries, Christianity is a spiritual religion, with an emphasis on mission, conversion and lifestyle, there is no mention of Christian politic, invasion or suppression. The historical distortion of this concept in the fourth century, when imperial Christology was instituted finds no origin in the Bible.
Oof ! Do you have any idea what the difference is between a Christian country and a Christian state ? When I said Christian country it a country that is predominated by a Christian population.
Kai wrote:Concerning, the matter of culture, the Bible does not propose any specific culture, however, holy and moral lifestyle is fundamental. Looking at Paul’s letter there is the issue of contextualisation, which enables a Christian to live like a Jew, among Jews and as free from the law among Gentiles (1 Cor.9: 19-23), otherwise living according to God’s standard is always an obligation.
Which makes Christianity prone to modify its religious concepts and principles due to the demand of cultural needs and wants.
Rather than Christianity governing culture, culture is governing Christianity to the same degree as rather than Christianizing Modernizm Christianity has been modernized.
In is Islam it is taught in complete in the reverse.
Kai wrote:It’s a fact that nominal Christianity (being Christian only by name) is the greatest enemy of Christianity, and this category is condemned by the New Testament Scriptures (2 Tim.3: 1-5).
Considering your view that every Western country is Christian and every American who attends the Jerry Springer show a Christian as well, simply reveals incredible ignorance about the nature of the Christian religion.
See here is your Bias. I presented that to show you whats going on in your own back yards, not that you dont know this, but then in same wave you tend to judge islam based on what it adheres do rather than its teaching. And my opinion is that you have not done enough study of islam to even consider your self knwoledgable or to know what islam teaches as I will show you your gross misrepresentation which are based on the acts of Adheres and a particular eastern culture, and custom that has nothing to do with islam in which you are unable to give distiction between.
Kai wrote:Then, in fact you are saying, that the particular hadith refers to sexual engagement between a husband’s wife with a male husband’s friend, a female, an animal or a thing.Anyway you did not answer the real question, say, the particular Hadith was uttered by Muhammad, it still does not prohit a women to sleep, with a man, female or thing, say the husband does not accept his, her’s or its friendship.The Hadith clearly seems to say, that a women should not entertain anyone in the bed, whom the husband dislikes (dislikes is the matter her), then the opposite must be true, who is the one who the husband likes. Since the hushand has a right over her body, he will have his say over the matter, otherwise she will be beaten. I would say: not exactly a standard of God in any way or direction.
The hadeeth contradicts the Quran. A woman is to lay with no other human being except her husband. Adultry, fornication, and homosexuality are condemned to severe punishment ,even to death, or imprisonment per the Quran. Therefore the hadeeth is false.
Kai wrote:Well possibly you are correct, this particular Hadith does contradict the Quran, that however, does not deny the fact that Muhammad atleast at one point may have allowed this practice.
Not so. That hadeeth dating was way after the revelation condemning adultry, fornication and homosexuality were revealed. The hadeeth is false.
Kai wrote:In other words, Loki was correct, unless we subdue our wives we risk a internal rebellion. I have a few points to criticise here.
First of all, I doubt you are married H2O (correct me if you want). If devotion from your wife, is a demand for a man’s shopping and feeding, then you marriage is simply built upon demanded exptance, in other words If I do this, I expect you to do that.
Maybe you should read more into what I said before you respond to it. Cause I showed a verse in which a man is suppose to treat his wife in like manner how she is to treat her husband. Did you over look this part or you just werent paying attention ?
Kai wrote:First of all, I doubt you are married H2O (correct me if you want). If devotion from your wife, is a demand for a man’s shopping and feeding, then you marriage is simply built upon demanded exptance, in other words If I do this, I expect you to do that
Again you are misunderstood. A man must give the same devotion to his wife as his wife is to be devoted to him. Man and wife in Islam are companions to aid one another. The man has a right over his wife and the woman has a right over her husband, both are garments to one another.
Kai wrote:You even ridicule Christian men who recognise that women are not inferior, that women do not need to be controlled or bought with romantic merit; if this is Islam, then your religion falls short.
Women are to be protected and taken care of and maintained for their needs and wants. A man should be a man to take care of his responsabilities. Getting married is a responsability.
Kai wrote:Actually, H2O, what you are stating here, is both insane and sick to be straight forward honest. I trust my wife as she trusts me, we follow the Christian standards, and I can tell you that there is no need for me to subdue her (even though I admit I could be a bit more romantic at times) or buy her with things or basic needs.
You are misunderstood. Did what I say conclude to marrying a woman or to stay married to woman you dont trust ? Obviously in the begining before they got married there is trust. Above I showed you , what you all prejudiced, a man has to tolerate his wife if she
becomes disloyal etc to her husband, where as a woman does not have to tolerate such type abuse from her husband.
Maybe you need to go back up and re-read my post.
Truth Seeker-Joshua wrote:Oh thats right H20...
You live in the good ole US of A. Where no muslim man could treat a women the way they do in the middle east.
You must live by that ultra liberal concept, "if it dont happen where I live, it must not happen at all".
Peace and Godspeed my brothers.
When last did you see Cops ? 85% of the show is based on domestic violence. 65% of the men in jail is because of an American woman. 15 % of those in Jail is for murder of their spouse or girl friend. And these are the one who are cought there are much more out there that havent been cought yet. All the above are couples that have a Christian back ground.
For some reason I thought there was much more post on this thread between me and Kai. Newseed can you check to see if you didnt remove the wrong post. Cause I am sure there was another post of Kai's on here that I was to respond to but I cant find it, nore a post that I have made.