Christian/Muslim ThreadsA question for a muslim.Morning TSJ... how are you doing???? Would it be possible to refrain from insults? you see the common sense thing can very easily be used for most christians as well... do you want me to go in that direction???? i dont think so... lets just have a decent intellictial debate shall we? Thanks... ok... Here we have you saying Hagar was pagan due to her ancestery... i.e. she is egyptian so she is pagan... so.... below i have quoted gen 16... which clearly shows God aka Lord etc is speaking to her thru one of His angels. Gen 16: 7 ¶ And the Angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur. 8 And He said, Hagar, Sarai's slave, where did you come from? and where will you go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai. 9 And the Angel of the LORD said to her, Return to your mistress and submit yourself under her hands. 10 ¶ And the Angel of the LORD said to her, I will multiply your seed exceedingly, so that it shall not be numbered for multitude. 11 And the Angel of the LORD said to her, Behold, you are with child, and shall bear a son. And you shall call his name Ishmael, because the LORD has heard your affliction. Gen21: 12 And God said to Abraham, Let it not be grievous in your sight because of the boy and because of your slave woman. 17 And God heard the voice of the boy, and the angel of God called to Hagar out of the heavens, and said to her, What ails you, Hagar? Do not fear, for God has heard the voice of the boy where he is. 18 Rise up, lift up the boy and hold him up with your hand, for I will make him a great nation. 19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went and filled the bottle with water, and gave drink to the boy. 20 And God was with the boy, and he grew, and lived in the wilderness, and became an archer. There you have it. from the bible. God was with the boy (Gen 21:20) So... this clears up your question about Ishmaels religious orientiation. Have you read any of these verses before? i am surprised that you as a christian say that it was lucifer who was with Hagar / Ishmael... Honestly ... i dotn see the word lucifer / satan/devil/snake / serpent etc in gen21:20 Ishmael is as much involved in it as Abraham as Adam as Jesus as Moses as Solomon as David etc... every single God-person was a component in the delivery of the message .... but if you do wish to get technical and picky the most appropriate person would be Prophet Muhammed. not anyone else... actually founded is a wrong word. Did Jesus found the roman catholic church? or the protestent church?? no... They all came with a message. which was the One True God.... Do you wish for a history of Islam lesson ??? checkout the below link... you will find all the info you need on the history of Islam. http://www.al-islam.org/restatement/index.htm aside from that... if some fanatical cleric says something radical... does it mean he is right??? plz before jumping to conclusions cross check.... it helps ... Explain how christians believe Father is the one true God. i am not avoidig the question.. this is my answer. the question is absurd. God is God... call Him by any name... He is still God. or maybe i dont understand you question..... if there is a particular answer you are looking for plz share it. God is God. You say Father i say Allah and some guy from India says Ishwar... its a name dude.... just a name. this has been answered already by me... plz read the link i provided... you will find all detailed info there.... first of all I dont have any reference to this in the Quran ... second... inconsistnacies or inaccuracies in the Bible are not my problem they are yours... and thirdly... no one ever said that descendents of a God-person are also God-persons... according to the Bible wasnt Arron the one who made the golden calf? he is Moses' brother... Adam and his sons... cain killed Abel... but cain was Adams son... Similarly... if the descendents of Ismael attacked anyone... is it Ismael's fault??? if yes then... it is also Abrahams fault... by virtue of being his father. Hence i say this question is absurd... but since you are insistant... i ahve answered them all... Hope you understand all this... Thanks take care Ali |
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