ArchivedMinistering to Gays and LesbiansActually Simonline I am not a Calvanist, I simply believe that we are saved by grace, a gift, like salvation from God. Your appeal to the OT only shows you have a legalistic approach to Scripute. I would remind you what Christ said about judging: Divorce is a sin and you could use Ex 20:13 against ever-straights who go through marriage like a revolving door, or alcoholism, drug addiction, etc. The institutional church has groups to help addicts, but very few sponsor ex-gay ministries. Everything else you have to say is great is the people you are ministering are Christians. Yet most of the gay men and lesbian women I know have no real knowledge of the Bible or what Christianity is all about. Like others with a legalistic attitude toward gay men and lesbian women you start with what you know and expect the whole world to agree with you or accept you faith as real. This is not reality. Do I believe that God alone brings us to salvation? Yes. What you are teaching is salvation by works. Make yourself perfect, clean, righteous, and then come to Jesus Christ. You are asking gays and lesbians to die to themselves and then come to Christ and actually it is the other way around. Faith is a gift from God. Salvation is a gift from God. The Holy Spirit seals us AFTER salvation. Repentance is a work after salvation. Christ said "Many are called, but FEW are chosen. Paul wrote (and I paraphrase) some sow, some water, BUT GOD BRINGS THE INCREASE. Have you ever studied Ephesians? If you want to take on the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churchs (UFMCC), the largest pro-gay denomination in the world and other gay friendly churches with your stand -- fine, I agree with everything you say. However, members of the UFMCC have rejected the truth for a lie. They have exercise their free will and chosen to "worship mand and not the Creator". But, I will repeat, many probably most gay men and lesbian women are not Christian or have any desire to become one. So you have to first preach the gospel and let GOD BRING THE INCREASE. I have asked other's this question and never received an answer, let see if you can. Where in the Bible does it give us as Christians the authority to judge those outside the Body of Christ? Because that is exactly what you and other heterocentric Christians are doing. Yes, I believe in free will. But without the "Hound Of Heaven" (a Roman Catholic way of referring to the Holy Spirit) to convict we will not exercise that free will in favor of Christianity. |
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